Episode 14

₿HS014: Clair and Daniel Prince Share World-Schooling-Bitcoiner Lessons

SHOW TOPIC:

Clair and Daniel Prince bring the proof-of-work.  Homeschooling while you’re traveling the world takes commitment and courage.  In this episode they share their perspectives on un-programming ourselves as parents, teaching values to children, the importance of critical thinking skills, regulatory creep in Europe, and developing deep and bonding relationships with your family.

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:

  • Clair and Daniel started their journey on world schooling in 2014.
  • Originally reason had nothing to do with education.  It started because they wanted to exit the corporate rat race.
  • Self-directed education includes world schooling, unschooling, homeschooling, self-led learning.
  • Benefits have included spending time with their children, seeing how they learn differently from one another, and so much more.
  • When Daniel first left his fiat job, he and Clair had to work out the balance.  They had different methods of discipline, different approaches to teaching, different expectations of learning, different levels of patience, etc.
  • It’s important to understand you have to do a lot of de-schooling and un-programming of your own.
  • Socialization fears with alternative education are not just wrong.  The reality is homeschooled kids are demonstrably better interacting with people of all ages, including adults.
  • Transition time between activities and events is critical
  • You can learn skills later in life, but you can’t go back and create time with your kids.  You’re building lifelong relationships.
  • One of the biggest rewards is teaching your kids to think critically
  • How to have conversations with older children about the decision to go to university or not
  • The word “drop out” is a psy op
  • Western European countries are making it harder for parents to homeschool since covid
  • World schooling is still a cheaper way to live than staying in one place
  • Clair and Daniel are still judged today on their original decision to world school versus looking at the results, e.g., being bilingual
  • World schooling takes work, but it’s worth it

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW:

Daniel is the host of the 'Once BITten Podcast' Once BITten

Daniel’s book “Choose Life” Choose Life

Daniel’s Twitter: @PrinceySOV

Daniel’s Orange Pill App (OPA): @princey

John Holt books

  • “How Children Learn”
  • “Teach Your Own: The Indispensable Guide to Living and Learning with Children at Home”
  • “Learning All the Time”
  • “How Children Fail”
  • “Instead of Education: Ways to Help People do Things Better”
  • “Growing Without Schooling” (GWS: The Complete Collection)

Naomi Fisher Books

  • “A Different Way to Learn”
  • “Changing Our Minds: How Children Can Take Control of Their Own Learning”

John Taylor Gato Books

  • “The Underground History of American Education, Volume I: An Intimate Investigation Into the Prison of Modern Schooling”
  •  “Dumbing Us Down - 25th Anniversary Edition: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling”
  • “Weapons of Mass Instruction: A Schoolteacher's Journey Through the Dark World of Compulsory Schooling”
  • “A Different Kind of Teacher: Solving the Crisis of American Schooling”

HAPPY TO HELP:

  • Tali's Twitter @OrangeHatterPod
  • Scott's Twitter @ScottLindberg93
  • Scott's nostr npub19jkuyl0wgrj8kccqzh2vnseeql9v98ptrx407ca9qjsrr4x5j9tsnxx0q6
  • Free Market Kids' Twitter @FreeMarketKids
  • Orange Pill App @FreeMarketKids
  • Free Market Kids' games including HODL UP https://www.freemarketkids.com/collections/games

WAYS TO SUPPORT:

We are essentially our own sponsors and are so grateful for all of you who support this show.  Thank you!

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Transcript
Prince:

This is called alternative education.

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What we've come to realize, and many

homeschoolers have come to realize,

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that alternative education is locking

a kid in a freaking classroom with

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30 strangers for eight hours a day.

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That's alternative.

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There's nothing natural there.

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The critical thinking I think is

the most important thing and being

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able to make their own decisions,

look into things themselves.

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not take everything at face value.

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There's gonna be more and more

homeschooled kids in the next 10 to 15

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years So for anybody that's contemplating

this, it's, , very important to understand

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that you've got to do a lot of de

schooling and unprogramming of your.

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Own.

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. Scott: Welcome Bitcoin homeschoolers.

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Talia and I are always thinking about how

we can give back and we're not coders.

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We can't make wallets.

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We're not financial analysts.

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We're not gonna write a book

on the history of money.

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But we do have over two

decades of homeschooling.

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We believe very strongly in the

separation of education state and

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the self custody of education.

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And the whole purpose of this Bitcoin

Homeschooler podcast is to serve as

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a vehicle for us to help give back.

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Part of that Is hearing other points of

view and other experiences and today we

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are blessed to have Daniel and Claire

Prince and talk about proof of work.

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These guys are world schooling, they have

written a book called Choose Life about

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it, and we cannot wait to get into it.

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So, guys, welcome.

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Prince: Thanks for having us on.

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Great to be here.

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Scott: Alright, my thought is maybe we

start off the conversation, assuming

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that people have not read your book.

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Could you just give a little bit of

background on like your, your path

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on where you are that I think just to

help ground things for the audience.

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Tali: ground things

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Prince: Yeah, absolutely.

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We started this journey into

homeschooling, world schooling,

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unschooling, self directed

education, uh, all of the above.

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Because they all kind of like merge

into one thing back in:

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2014, we, we left their old life behind.

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We were living in Singapore at the time.

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We sold pretty much everything we

owned at that stage and took off

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with the kids and started traveling.

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We thought we might go

for six to nine months.

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But that ended up being two and a half,

almost three years of constant travel, uh,

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with the kids, four of them aged eight,

six, and two, three year old twins at

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the, uh, the time that we started that.

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Uh, and that, yeah, really kind of

took us down the journey of what it

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means to separate education from state.

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And we've done all kinds of different.

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education with them in a system, whether

that's private schooling, Montessori

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style, or straight up state school in

Singapore, straight up state school

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in France, and mix that over the last

10 years with other, other styles.

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Self led learning.

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Self led learning at the

moment, for sure, yeah.

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But originally it was nothing to do with

education as to why, why we fell into it.

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It was because We were looking

for a different way of living.

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We wanted to quit the rat race.

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And homeschooling was how we kind of

worked that first initial few years

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because we wanted the freedom of travel.

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And then once you start to learn about

it and read about it, and you realize

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And see the results and see the results

and actually get to spend time with

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your children and see how they're

learning and see how differently they

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all learn, you know, having four,

they all learn completely differently.

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And, uh,

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Scott: yeah, that's

really, they really do.

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What did you have support from both of

your both sides of the family or friends

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when you were making that decision?

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Prince: we had a lot of, interestingly,

we had some friends that were teachers.

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And they were really supportive

about it, maybe because of the age

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that the children were as well.

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Uh, family, not so much.

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I think it's a generational thing as well.

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They were more shocked.

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Yeah.

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And that comes from The fear of

ruining their grandchildren, I suppose.

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Yeah, and that comes from a point of,

obviously, love and concern and worry

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and fear that We were being irresponsible

and going to damage our kids chances

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of ever being able to go to college

and ever being able to get a job or

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ever being able to socialize properly.

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You know all of the FUD.

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Scott: Mm hmm.

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Right, right.

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So, Tali, you wanted to comment?

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Tali: Just from the point of

view of a mom, like logistic,

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logistically, how did you handle that?

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Because not only were you traveling,

which in and of itself is difficult,

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but when you're also trying to school

on top of that, what did you use?

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Like what material did you use?

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What was your method of teaching?

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Prince: Well, uh, originally, I mean, life

was crazy for us, um, at home back then.

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Um, Dan was probably not home much at all.

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So it was all on me.

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And I had, the twins that were

coming up for three and the,

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six year old and eight year old.

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And Singapore was very much keeping

up with the Joneses environment where

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they have to do all the activities

and, um, you know, swimming, dancing,

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tennis, uh, all the, all the above.

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And I was so stressed with getting

them everywhere and naps and trying

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to be the mom with no family to help.

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And, so something had to give.

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And it was more a case of me snapping

at a child because they've forgotten

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their ballet slippers at the age of six.

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And thinking, this isn't right, this,

why should my five year old even care

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about Um, ballet slippers and um,

so traveling and homeschooling now

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all of a sudden I've got Dan around

so I've got an extra person, um,

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to help, um, and we love to travel.

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She wanted to say Hinda there, by the way,

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Scott: Well, that's a,

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Prince: but um, Scott knows

what I'm talking about.

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Scott: Yeah, there's a transition.

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So not, we, we haven't done the world

schooling, but we're about a year trying

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to go full time with our entrepreneurial

Bitcoin education and it's different.

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I mean, I'll, from the man standpoint

to be, to be around, to see how much

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work Tali was doing to keep all kinds of

things going that I just had no idea on.

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And then I'm like, okay,

well, well now what do I do?

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Like, um, I wanted a man,

I'm supposed to help.

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No clue how this, this operation

is really, is really running.

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So, I mean, you guys, it sounds like

you guys did fine with it, but it was a

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Prince: No, to start with, it was

tough because we had different.

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Methods of discipline and different

methods of what approaches to teaching

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and different expectations of learning.

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So it took us a while to different

levels of patience as well.

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It turns out I'm not as patient as

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Scott: Daniel, are you

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helping

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Prince: but in the,

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Scott: Are you actually

helping teach then, too?

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Prince: different things.

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Um, we both have our skills.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Uh, yes, for sure.

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Um, I'm just trying to think

back to like the, the very

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early days when you're going.

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So for anybody that's contemplating this,

it's, I think, uh, very important to

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understand that you've got to do a lot of

de schooling and unprogramming of your.

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Own.

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Which we hadn't at the time.

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Yeah, of your own problems that you've

carried through your own schooling and

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into your adult life and whatever else.

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And the expectations of learning because

all we knew was Sit down and learn

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from a book, you know that that was

what has been drilled into us as well.

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And at that stage, I was coming

out of an 18 year career.

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So I've just done the linear thing.

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I've done to school, got some grades,

gone into an apprenticeship, got better,

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got moved up, got moved to a different

country, was on the fast track into,

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you know, Another 10 to 15 years of

just sitting there and grinding out and

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getting the retirement and whatever else

and all of a sudden that's gone and I'm

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at home every day and dual parenting

rather than single parenting and then

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trying to, you know, help the kids with

whatever it is that they're trying to do.

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Um, my levels of patience fluctuated

very, uh, quite volatile in the

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early days because I've been used to

being in a business scenario, 10, 11

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hours a day, five days a week, not

dealing with three year olds that are

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arguing over whose cup is who when

the cup is the same freaking color.

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That's all a million times.

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like, stuff like that I couldn't

handle, like, right, I gotta

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be out of the room right now.

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Scott: That's awesome.

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Yeah.

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I think, I mean, for me, what

I hear though, you, you're, you

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took, you made the leap, right?

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You, you said we're in this together.

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We're committing to this.

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You have the courage to, to do that.

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And then later on, it's not till

later on that you figure out how

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you do it, the capacity for it, and

let alone to have the confidence.

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Prince: Yeah, we took books with us

and we tried to pretend, um, that

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we were, we knew what we were doing.

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And, um, you know, occasionally would sit

down and say, right, open the books, kids.

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And then we realized that

that was really hard.

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And then we would go out and we, we

were traveling at times and then go to

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a museum or we'd be in a place where

every day was a lesson just traveling.

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then we realized that they were

actually getting so much from our

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traveling and our journey and.

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And hopefully they wouldn't remember it,

which I'm not sure they actually did.

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But, um, but yeah, so then it, we

tried to use the world as our school,

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but then occasionally we'd go, But

we have to do some more sit down

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stuff and try and them down again.

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And then that would end up in arguments

because, um, they didn't want to do that,

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or they'd get frustrated really quickly.

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it's an unnatural way to learn, right?

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This is the thing.

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This is called alternative education.

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What we've come to realize, and many

homeschoolers have come to realize,

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that alternative education is locking

a kid in a freaking classroom with

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30 strangers for eight hours a day.

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That's alternative.

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There's nothing natural there.

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Scott: right, I was just

going to ask you about that.

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I was, I mean, cause at some point the

light bulb goes on and you're like.

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I know you'd comment in your, in

your, your book about socialization.

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That was something that our

families had had concern about.

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Then they, they, as they get

older and you're worried, man,

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I'm, I'm almost too worried.

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Not, not too worried.

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I'm almost worried for the opposite

reason that they're too social.

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They, they're their confidence now

and handling a lot of different

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situations with a lot of different

types of adults and, and others.

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They're very confident in

things that I was like, Hmm.

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So like what was that like lightbulb

moment as you kind of realized what

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you just commented on Daniel where

you you realize that actually This

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is the natural way of learning.

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This is actually better for my kids.

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Like what when was that

moment for you guys?

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Prince: I don't even know if we get,

we've had a light bulb moment, but we do

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get a lot of compliments from strangers,

um, or people that just meet them about

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how they can to adults, look people

in the eye, um, engage with people.

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And that started happening very

early and still happens to this day.

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And that's nothing to

do with what we've done.

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I think it's purely by being

around us the whole time.

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I think that's just, it's like

An osmosis of being around us.

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They've just learnt how to

engage with people more.

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I think that's, uh, uh, one of

the big disadvantages of the world

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that children spend less time

with their parents these days.

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And I think they don't

learn so much from that.

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Yeah.

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And I think, um, perhaps a light bulb

moment for me was meeting other world

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schoolers and homeschooled kids.

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Uh, along the way, um, and even

really early, we read that blog post.

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What was her name?

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I don't know.

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Scott: You listed out like a

hundred resources in the book like I

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was like I was going through it and I'm

like you just had So many to look at

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I won't even pretend that I know which one

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Prince: Hannah Miller.

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Hannah Miller wrote this and

she was 13 when she wrote it

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and it was called, what's hell?

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Hell world schooling ruined my life.

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And it was like a brilliant clickbait

title and a satirical piece.

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But it was very satirical.

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It was, it was, it meant

actually the opposite.

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So yeah, I suppose those little

moments when um, one is like, I

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wish, I hope that by the age of 13

my child can write in this style

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and be as funny and as open as this.

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And then, um, you met other kids

around the world and like the slightly

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older ones, you're like, ah, okay.

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And like Claire said, they'll

come up, introduce themselves.

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You could be anywhere, on a beach, in a

park, in a little world school meetup.

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You'd fall into Facebook groups, so

you'd hit country, who's world schooling

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here, who's on their travels, and blah,

blah, blah, go and meet in the park.

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And you'd meet the other kids, so

like, ours were very young still,

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but you'd meet a 13, 14 year

old and they'd come up to you.

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shake your hand, introduce

themselves and sit down.

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Before you know it, you've had a

conversation for 30 or 40 minutes

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and they've told you where they've

been and this and the other thing.

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You're like, huh, I'm like just sitting

here, chilling out, chatting to a

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13 year old when I'm used to that

experience being, uh, hello, how are you?

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Um, yeah, nice.

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Um, how's school?

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Uh, oh yeah, yeah, it's okay.

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Like.

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With a normal schooled person and that

could even be your niece or nephew who

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you're supposed to be close to that

just cannot have that, you know, there's

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that barrier between you and them

because they're so used to being the

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only adult that they ever get exposed

to is the authority at the front of the

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classroom and that's their day to day.

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So, Those little light bulb moments for

me were like, yeah, we're on the right

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track with, with these kids because

look at, and this is what we keep

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coming up against now because Caitlin

is now 18, the twins are coming up 13.

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Every time we go away to

one of these conferences.

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They're sitting down for hours talking

to other Bitcoiner will call on me later.

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He's like, dude, your kids.

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I've just been talking to them for hours.

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I'm like, how old are they again?

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Yeah.

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Those guys are 12.

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Like, this is crazy.

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Scott: Well, a compliment to you guys

then for, uh, for raising them that way.

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Tali, you were, you were going

to ask something there to that?

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Tali: Well, I, I just want to kind

of second what you said with that's

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something that we have noticed in

our homeschooling groups as well.

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We haven't come across really a whole

lot of world travelers, but just the fact

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that the kids have daily conversations

with adults, mom and dad, if just mom and

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dad, that makes such a huge difference.

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More than the passing, , I'm

going to school now.

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Bye.

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I love you.

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You know, that kind of passing moment.

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But discussions in the kitchen, , just

over dinner table, that kind of stuff.

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Because what you guys did is a

huge, huge leap from somebody who

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is still stuck at a corporate job

and the kids are going to school.

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So it might seem like it's, it's

like a completely different world.

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But even if you just take small steps

toward having more conversations

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with your kids, you are already

moving in that direction.

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Kids respond really quickly.

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Something else I wanted to mention was

I wanted to ask you, uh, you mentioned a

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few minutes back that, , you'd be world

traveling, you'd be visiting museums

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and visiting these incredible cities.

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And then you suddenly realized,

Oh, I should probably make sure

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they can still write maybe too mad.

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And you're sitting them down.

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I don't know about your experience,

but for our kids, that was very painful

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because What I forgot for myself

was I needed transition time between

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running places and When I'm the one

who's coordinating all of it and I'm

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not the one doing the learning, I

forget that and then I force the kids

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without that transition time to sit

and then it becomes so difficult, you

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know, like the temper tantrums and

the meltdowns and things like that.

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What was your experience like and

what did you guys do to help the kids

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transition from going all over the place

and then sitting down quiet at the table?

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I do believe that that is part of

schooling and that is where self

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discipline comes into play and it is also

Really a necessary part of schooling.

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So what did you guys do?

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Prince: I can completely

relate to what you're saying.

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It's, it's when it's on your, on your

terms, like you've got to be somewhere.

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You're doing something.

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You're trying to rush them

through, sit down and do this.

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We've got half an hour to get this done.

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That's when it all.

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goes down and that's totally a parenting

issue, not the child's issue, but

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we put that onto them, I suppose.

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I don't know if we've ever, I agree,

you do have to do sit down things,

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you do have to do reading and writing

and things every now and then.

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Some days it works, some days it doesn't.

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, I don't know if we've ever solved it.

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I mean, I think as they've got

older, they've been able to do that

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themselves and do self study a bit more.

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And since they've been older, we've

been trying to follow, student

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led learning, which is that

they follow their own interests.

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So in the idea is that they're interested

in it themselves, so then they have

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much more motivation to, to sit down.

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So they'll join the clubs that they

want to join on, , like Cubrio,

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for example, we use, or Outskool.

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Uh, so then it's on them to

choose and decide which ones.

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We obviously help and guide

them and in some cases insist.

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Like, no, you're definitely doing that

one because there's no discussion there.

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You have to do it and you have

to try it and we can look at

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it again in a month's time.

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And maybe we can swap it

out for something else.

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they're actually on the clubs on the zoom

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calls with, uh, with the other kids and,

uh, and the facilitator that all goes

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fine, they'll sit down and do the work.

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They're on creative writing clubs

and sit there and tap away and then

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share their stories at the end of it.

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would get the same result if

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it was just you and I saying.

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Definitely not.

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Write us a story and then present it to

us in the lounge in 45 minutes and go.

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Scott: Well, there's something

that I would like to point out for

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the listeners too, that I think

we're just all taking for granted.

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You're, the ability to learn later,

like your own, as you're, as an adult,

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you're still going to be learning things.

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So there's something about that

self directed, that, that's

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a skill by it, by itself.

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But the thing that's on my mind as

you guys are talking is I'm just

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imagining you're traveling the world.

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with your kids during the day.

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and, and you're not, and you think

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about how many kids these days are

either in single family households,

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or even if both, there's a mom and

dad there, the, the hours you have

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to put into like the rat race, right?

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Or maybe you're both working and now

you're just kind of saying, okay, you're,

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your child's now gonna spend most of

their waking hours with other people.

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You can't, you can learn

a subject later on.

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You can go self teach, whatever

it is, later on, almost anything.

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You can't as easily go back and try to

build a relationship with your, with your

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kids and set an example of how parents

can work together through difficult times.

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Because I'm sure like, it's

not all like, you know, flowers

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and candy and whatever else.

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Like there's, there's, there's

tough times in there and they see

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mom and dad working through that.

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That's a huge, huge

thing to teach your kids.

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And you can't easily go

back and learn that later.

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So that's what's on my mind as

we're having this discussion, is we

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can get into the, these technical

things on, is it Montessori?

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Is it Udemy?

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Is it whatever?

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But I mean, think about what the

kids are getting when you, I mean,

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to me, this is the heart of, of the

self custody of education, right?

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You are, you're, you're teaching so

much more in terms of life skills

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there and values that is just.

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You can't even put a price tag

on, on, on, on some of those.

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Prince: I mean, we sit down to eat.

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together pretty much every, well, at least

twice a day, sit down around a table.

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And you can imagine some of the

conversations there, but you know,

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they're proper discussions sometimes

around Bitcoin, not always, but they're

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proper discussions and with their points

of views and whether we think this is

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right to have this point of view or not.

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to their, you know, it gets discussed

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whether it's right or wrong, the

conversation, but, uh, it's, um, it's,

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I suppose like a mini debate sometimes,

but, uh, I think it's a skill as well.

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And then with, with, to your point

as well, Scott, when we were doing

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the long term traveling with them.

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Uh, yeah, they were part of it.

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They were part, whether they realized it

or not, they were part of every decision.

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They were part of every up and part

of every down and they experienced.

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All of the good stuff and all of

the bad stuff together as a unit.

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Like when we were in Thailand and

Samuel split his head open, like

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they saw exactly like mom and dad

go straight into panic mode, alert

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mode, get this shit sorted out mode.

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And that was a learning

experience, all of it.

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And all of the emotions that came

with that and the sadness and

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then the relief that he was okay.

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And it was just some stitches and

he was back again in an hour or two.

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those kinds of situations.

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Huge amounts of learning

is going on there.

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Scott: Mm hmm.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I love it.

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Tali: That was my favorite part

of homeschooling was the fact that

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our kids know each other very well

They know each other's friends.

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They know each other's teachers And what

like you said when we come to the table

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and They're debating certain points

of view or whatever it, they're still

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together and they can disagree, you know,

when, as they get older, because our, our

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girls are a little bit older than yours.

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Um, when they disagree, they

really disagree, but we're still.

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Able to talk about it and we can

always go back to the reference of

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remember that time when this teacher

did this and that kind of stuff I

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want to throw a question at you guys.

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I don't know if you've noticed this.

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I'm sure you have, but

I'm going to throw it out.

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So going back to what you said

before about when you decided to do

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Um, homeschooling and your family

out of their concern and love were

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afraid that, um, you were going to

ruin your kids because we had that.

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We had that on both sides.

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And what I am noticing now

with our kids being older.

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And they're going outside, obviously,

our family circle, our two boys are

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working, our girls are at school.

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What they're noticing now is that the

way they think is so, so different

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from their peers, that it's very,

very difficult for them to connect

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with peers that are the same age.

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Because they're still, right now,

scrolling on Instagram and talking about

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stuff that are somewhat unimportant.

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, they're stuck in the pop

culture, whereas our kids would.

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Look beyond that just be just because

of the type of conversation that we have

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our home So in that way they have been

frustrated that they they are having

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trouble Connecting with the general

peers outside the homeschooling circle.

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Are you guys noticing the same

thing for you guys for your kids?

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Prince: Yeah, well, we were

in another city the other day

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and, well, a few months ago.

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a busload of school kids obviously on a

on an excursion or going out for the day.

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Which, uh, the kids obviously in the

bus were looking at our kids that were

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just free out and about in the city.

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And they're all like pulling funny faces

out the bus window and, you know, sticking

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the middle finger up and things like

that, our kids and things, because they

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think that they're cool and, and, um.

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And then our kids turned around

to each other and went, kids that

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go to school are just so weird.

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Scott: Yeah.

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Can I, can I add this?

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I just, um, I, there's so many

questions I have for you guys.

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You clear, you mentioned Bitcoin

earlier and I'm curious, so I'm

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assuming you're a Bitcoiner.

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Is that, is that true?

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Are

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Prince: Yeah, I had the same belief, not

nearly as deep in as Dan, but yes, I agree

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with the concept and the ideas behind it.

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Scott: Okay.

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So, so Daniel was first and

then you, you were, brought

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along into the, the rabbit hole.

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So, and then how about the kids are

the, were the kids on the spectrum?

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Because I, where I'm going with that

is, , I hear Talia and I are, we're, we're

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throwing our heart and souls into this.

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We, we believe in this, strongly

believe in this, and, and that's a

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whole other, I mean, this is where

Big Winter spent hours, right?

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But our kids look at us and they say,

okay, dad, why do you have laser eyes?

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You know, you're, you're going to your

little cult and you know, they, and they,

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they make all the comparisons, right?

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You're, I mean, just so many comparisons.

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So I'm curious from, from a schooling

standpoint, but also from a Bitcoin

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standpoint, where, where are you

guys as a family and how are you

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guys handling the subject of money?

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And freedom and the, the things Daniel,

that you would talk for hours on your

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podcast about how do you, how do you

handle those in the, in the house?

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Prince: Well, it gets

talked about all the time.

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So, um, they, they

certainly know about it.

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Um, because, because, because

Bitcoin fixes everything.

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Yeah.

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That, that, that sentence comes up a lot.

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Lots of debates about that in the kitchen.

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Chicken in the fridge.

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Oh, Bitcoin fixes this.

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Um, but, um, yeah, uh,

all of them understand.

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Again, the concept of it, how it works,

we don't know how deeply, they don't

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know the technicalities of it, but they

understand deeply and much more than

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probably another kid, even our 18 year

olds age, they understand inflation and

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why the world is in such a state now.

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They understand it's not

just because the pandemic.

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Um, and, um, they, they understand

that it's printing money that, uh, or

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fiat money, uh, uh, they've read a few

books that are more to their level.

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Played Hoddle Up.

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Played Hoddle

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Scott: Oh, nice.

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Nice.

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Yeah, that's

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right.

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I forgot about

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Prince: read that.

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Yeah.

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Um, uh, our older daughter, she went to

school, um, and has much more of, um.

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I'd say probably different views

to the rest of us a bit more

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so she has more of a outsidely.

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Well, yeah, she's but she still

understands Bitcoin and still

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comes back to it quite often

talks to her friends about it.

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It's interesting to see how they're going.

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They're going to be pulled

in different directions.

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And this is, as we know, what

Bitcoin does to you, right?

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It's going to find that thing within

you that resonates with you the most.

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And then you're going to apply your

time and effort to that specific.

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So for you guys, it's

Bitcoin and homeschooling.

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You know, I absolutely 100

percent agree with you.

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If you separate education

from state, you will separate.

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Money from state and vice versa.

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And as you said, Scott, Bitcoin is a

homeschoolers that just don't know it yet.

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And homeschoolers are Bitcoiners

that just don't know it.

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That's, that's just 100 percent true.

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But what's going to bring them in?

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You know, what will it be?

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And what will it be for our kids?

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And having the kids with us at, uh, at

some of the conferences, getting them

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exposed to The, the talks, the panels,

the, um, the booths, the work that's been

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going on, Caitlin currently, she's 18.

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She's just had a chat with Alex Gladstein

and CK from Human Rights Foundation.

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So she's looking into the, can I

do some kind of internship because

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it's international relations.

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That's pulling her into this thing.

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So right, where, where can, who

in my network do I need to put in

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the way of you on your journey?

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And, and Sophia, she met Rachel

actually in Germany, uh, just four or

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five weeks ago at, um, at an event.

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And, uh, Rachel's put him on this

event in January and Rachel invited

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Sophia to come and speak on a panel

about what's it like to be a teenage.

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Surrounded by Bitcoin.

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Surrounded by Bitcoin stuff.

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How's it shaping your mind?

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So, goodness knows where she's

going to get pulled into.

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Claire's going to start

resonating with um, you know,

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is it the human rights aspect?

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Is it getting more For me,

that's what interests me more.

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The humanitarian side of it all.

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But then someone like My son,

he just loves the gaming.

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He's like, what?

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You can win sats playing

Pac Man and stuff?

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Okay, let's get into that.

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Lauren does the show with me.

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So she's interviewed, goodness

knows how many people.

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She just likes talking to people.

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Yeah, she loves the conversation of it.

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And just like sits there and

gets truth bombed every episode.

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She's like, oh.

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So one day, I guarantee you one day

she'll be 15 or 16 and she'll just

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start coming out with all of this stuff.

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But where's it going to take her?

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You know, it's going

to be amazing to watch.

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Scott: Well, I mean, good for you guys.

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I mean, this is something

that's on our mind too.

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We've cleared it so, you know, so Tali

and I earlier this year went to a couple

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of homeschooling conferences and tried to

pitch Bitcoin to homeschoolers and it was

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an uphill to say it nicely and uphill.

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Time, like it was, it was, it was

a very frustrating experience.

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So I think we'll get there eventually.

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And, and it's, and, and the reason I asked

that question is we're, we're trying to

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not only, I mean, we want our own family.

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We want our own kids to understand this

and say, look, we have this insight.

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We want to share this with you.

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You guys can, you have the benefit of,

you have the whole life in front of you.

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We're, we're learning this much later.

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And even within our own family,

we're, we're finding that it's not.

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Uh, it's not that simple and it's

certainly not one conversation.

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You know, it's not one

game, one book, one podcast.

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It's, it's this consistent thing.

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And the number of times I mentioned

low time preference or fiat money or

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something else like that, the kids just

roll their eyes and they're like, okay,

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dad, we don't need another lecture.

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But I'm thinking like these

are like understanding money,

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the, the time preference thing.

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I mean, you guys talked

about, um, was it meditation?

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I think lowering your stress.

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You guys, you actually talked about that.

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Those are, those concepts of taking

care of your body for the long

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term and, and doing those things,

they're, they're all tied together.

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All these concepts, like they build on

each other and it's like, well guys, this

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can really, really impact you for the

better, your success, your happiness.

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And sometimes they just,

they're not ready to hear it.

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At least that's my, my take on it is

like, why, why can't I get you guys to?

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See all the things that I'm seeing

and I'm trying to, I'm, I'm trying

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to be more understanding of what's

their point of view and how do

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we reach, how do we reach them?

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I mean, Tali's teaching me that

I, that I don't communicate well

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with women evidently because

we speak like men on podcasts.

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I'm like, okay.

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So we had, um, so she's exploring that

and she's, she's, she's growing that, but

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that's the reason I ask is because you're,

you're teaching your kids your values.

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You're teaching them the things from.

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A normal traditional school, like a

traditional curriculum, but then there's

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this whole suite of new things that we're

into with Bitcoin with what is money

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Austrian economics, lower time preference.

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I mean, if you want to get into

the humanitarian rights and things

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like that, I mean, there's so much

to get into there than the diet and

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what we're being told with the diet.

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Well, I want our kids to how do you teach

your kids what's right to eat and not eat?

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You want to talk about influences like

we teach our kids this and then our

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sons will go out and they'll come back

with McDonald's bags and pizza bags

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and or boxes or whatever and we're

like, wait a minute, like, didn't

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we like, what are you doing anyway?

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Tali: I'm gonna add my two cents in here.

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I think one of the biggest rewards that

we have as homeschoolers is we teach

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kids to think critically and they're

not just being spoon fed like they're,

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sitting in rows and like cattle,

just being, being spoon fed stuff.

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And so we teach them to think critically

and we, because we're new to the

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homeschooling and that's, sorry, because

we're new to the Bitcoin space and our

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kids were brought up in the traditional

way as Daniel, you were mentioning

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before, we only told them what we knew

and what we knew was the traditional

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stuff like the traditional finance.

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And, you know, you go, you get

good, get good grades, you get a

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good education, you get a good job,

you climb the corporate ladder.

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That's what we knew.

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Before we enter the Bitcoin space, we

didn't question our understanding of the

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how, how the world worked and how money

worked, because we thought we knew it.

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The correct way.

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That was the way we train up our kids.

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And so suddenly we come across this

Bitcoin thing and our mind is blown.

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But our kids didn't have that need yet.

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You know, we found Bitcoin

out of our need for it.

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I think everybody has to come to

Bitcoin with some type of need.

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And it could be humanitarian.

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It could be something else.

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But everybody had a need and

Bitcoin became the solution.

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And so our kids, they haven't

come across that need yet.

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And so they see us suddenly change.

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And Our 16 year old, his favorite,

um, retort to me or us telling

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him about Bitcoin is, Mom,

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Scott: well

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Tali: mostly mom because he was

always working, Mom, you taught me

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to not accept things that face value.

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You taught me to question.

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And I'm like, you're not supposed

to question me, you're supposed

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:

to question other people.

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But, but, you know, I, I feel like we have

to give them room are because they're,

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they're really young adults and we've

brought them up to be critical thinkers.

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And eventually they will,

their paths will lead there.

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But if we're shoving it in their

face all the time, it's just like

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:

any other family and members or

friends that we want to say, Hey,

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you're Can I please tell you about

this incredible thing called Bitcoin?

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They'll be like,

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Scott: You're

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Tali: crazy and weird.

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You know, our kids are

looking at us the same way.

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Prince: totally agree.

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The critical thinking I think is

the most important thing and being

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able to make their own decisions,

look into things themselves.

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not take everything at face value.

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But, um, yeah, we get, we totally

get the eye rolls all the time.

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:

I like, oh, that's talking Bitcoin again.

649

:

But it's interesting when you

sometimes hear your children talking

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to kids their own age that have

nothing to do with Bitcoin, and

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:

then trying to explain it to them.

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:

And you like why it's important

and, and all these things.

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:

They're like, huh, They, they did listen.

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They do get it.

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And, uh, I suppose, like you

say, they have to make, they

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have to make their own decisions.

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And, you know, I don't know

how many times in my life, my

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opinions and things have changed.

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And I've completely pivoted on

some things that I thought were.

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I was really set on, um, before, but,

um, I suppose, uh, that's one of our

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:

biggest goals is to make sure they're

always learning always that, you know,

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you don't stop learning at 18 or in the

early 20s when you finish university,

663

:

because we're still learning now,

but we could really, when we were

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our kids at school could really see.

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The love of learning disappearing, like

they just were so bored by, yeah, and I

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would say as well, it's a classic cliche,

uh, action speak louder than words.

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:

And in 18 months, when you guys are

still doing this podcast, and you've.

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Still you're still designing games.

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I mean the thing is you always

still you've got that game, right?

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That's there that's out There it's

going to keep selling people are

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:

going to carry on asking, you know How

to play it and whatever else you're

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:

going to keep going to conferences.

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You're not going to stop what you're

doing So in 18 months, we're the critical

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mind these kids that you've brought

up that we've brought up and hopefully

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:

other people around Around the world

that are suffering these same problems

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:

18 months goes by You haven't changed,

your conviction is even stronger, your

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message is clearer, you've sharpened

your tools with delivering the messages.

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Scott can speak to women and you

know, it's going to be amazing.

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:

Mmm.

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Scott: Do you, um, have you talked

to your kids about university?

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Are they considering not going?

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Prince: No, this is where, like, giving

them free minds and things is the, uh,

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well, our oldest is determined to go.

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And, you know, she, she's not picking

the cheaper European universities.

685

:

She's trying to pick a, I mean,

it's not the U S which is picking

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the UK, which isn't cheap.

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:

Um, Sophia, um, doesn't know at

all what she wants to do, but

688

:

she still feels the pressure, I

suppose, because the age she is.

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And all the other kids are looking

or working towards university.

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So the word comes up quite a lot from her.

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But she is much more open to learning a

vocation rather than going to university.

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Yeah,

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Scott: be part of the

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this might be the unprogramming

Daniel, you're referring to because

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Tali and I met in grad school, right?

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And then our, both of our sons, like,

so both of our girls say, okay, we're

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:

going to go to school and we're like,

yeah, we'll support you and all that.

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:

But both of our boys are like,

we don't really want to do that.

699

:

And here, and with all the things that

we've learned over the last couple

700

:

of years of studying Bitcoin, like

we were like, yeah, you know, this is

701

:

not, we, we can't even, we can't say,

here's why you really should do this.

702

:

You know, you should spend a lot of money

to go be indoctrinated and do whatever.

703

:

And, and now it's kind of like

unprogrammed in our part and.

704

:

Now we're back to our families because

now we're, you know, we're 20 some years

705

:

into this thing and we're like, what

are your, what are your kids doing?

706

:

Well, the, the boys have

decided to drop out.

707

:

And they're looking at our families

are looking at us like, well,

708

:

what are you gonna do about that?

709

:

Like, well, we, we support

them a hundred percent.

710

:

Um, It's been, it's been a, it's a, it's

kind of our, one of our current learnings

711

:

that Tali and I are going through is,

is how to have this conversation with

712

:

what do you think of formal university

schooling after all that we've

713

:

learned through the Bitcoin and what's

going on with, with fiat education.

714

:

So that's the reason I asked, um, looked

like I may have hit a sore spot for you.

715

:

I was like, Oh,

716

:

Prince: Yeah.

717

:

No.

718

:

Well, for me it is, because I, I, I

don't want them to, to, to go and be

719

:

indoctrinated and be forced into debt.

720

:

It makes no sense.

721

:

Yeah.

722

:

For me it's the unnecessary debt.

723

:

I don't, I don't know.

724

:

I think they're open minded enough

to, to see for themselves when

725

:

they're being indoctrinated hopefully.

726

:

But it's.

727

:

It's the unnecessary debt.

728

:

And I just hope, it's that, it's

that framing as well, Scott, you

729

:

know, that that is a sign of that,

that word, that term dropout.

730

:

Dropped out.

731

:

It should be opted out.

732

:

No, they are opting out of that because

it is a choice and is empowering.

733

:

But somehow it's been turned upside

down to make you look weak and an

734

:

undesirable human being because

you dropped out of college or you

735

:

dropped out of school or whatever.

736

:

So what we try and, uh, well, I, I

certainly hope many people around the

737

:

world understand you have a choice.

738

:

You can't opt out and that just

reframing that language empowers you.

739

:

And, um, I hope that Caitlin, it looks

as though she, she will go to college.

740

:

But if she gets the opportunity to intern

at incredible organizations before she

741

:

goes and being surrounded by incredible,

inspiring people, then when they get

742

:

there, like you've experienced, uh, and

other homeschoolers have experienced,

743

:

they get there and they look around at

their classmates and they're like, Really?

744

:

We're talking about the

current thing all the time?

745

:

Tali: That's it.

746

:

That's exactly what our

girls are telling us.

747

:

And, um, it's kind of like that,

uh, you know, I don't know what

748

:

your faith background is, but a

lot of Christian parents are very,

749

:

very afraid of letting their kids

go out and be ruined by the world.

750

:

And we, I actually told the kids when

they were in high school, when you

751

:

graduate, you're going overseas because

you need to see how big the world is.

752

:

Scott: And

753

:

Tali: My, my peers, my, the moms

were like, Oh my God, what are

754

:

they going to be exposed to?

755

:

I'm like, whatever it is, they

have to choose their own belief.

756

:

They grew up under our belief

system, but they need to choose.

757

:

And so the, my, our kids went out

and came back with stronger faith

758

:

because they didn't like what they saw.

759

:

And the same thing is happening at the

universities that our girls are attending.

760

:

And actually all four of our

kids went to school and to.

761

:

Opt it out afterwards.

762

:

But now they know where they stand.

763

:

So it's okay.

764

:

Even if like your girls, if they go to

college and they look around and go,

765

:

this is it, this is all there is to it.

766

:

And then opt out.

767

:

Now their conviction is even stronger.

768

:

So I actually I'm in favor of letting

them go out there and make their mistakes.

769

:

Prince: Yeah, me too.

770

:

I

771

:

Tali: Yeah.

772

:

Prince: think it's how you

learn as well, yourself.

773

:

If they get there and think,

right, this isn't for me, that's

774

:

for them to have made that choice.

775

:

But um, and our oldest at

the moment she's in Thailand.

776

:

Yeah.

777

:

Traveling with her friends.

778

:

There's three of them.

779

:

They've gone out there, they've

been gone for a month already.

780

:

And then they'll be gone

at least until March.

781

:

Uh, in, in Thailand and Southeast Asia.

782

:

Going out and seeing the

world and making mistakes.

783

:

We've already missed one flight.

784

:

We already missed a flight.

785

:

Already made a reservation

for the wrong like day.

786

:

Yeah.

787

:

Already over time zone.

788

:

Already screwed the time zone

up and overpaid for an Airbnb.

789

:

Yes.

790

:

Scott: If that's how you

learn though, you're right.

791

:

I mean now You you know sitting down

and telling someone how time zones

792

:

work is not the same as actually

messing up And and having to pay

793

:

Um, with the frustration, the

794

:

Prince: Having to pay twice

795

:

Scott: pay twice.

796

:

I mean, that's, that's

a real education there.

797

:

Um, missing a

798

:

Prince: when money, when money's tight

799

:

Scott: yeah.

800

:

So, um, so one of the things that was

on my mind, um, going back a little

801

:

bit to the, the people who are just

starting thinking of like some of the

802

:

folks who'd be listening to this, the,

they might look at that and they say,

803

:

okay, well, the world changed though,

because you guys started world schooling.

804

:

Before COVID

805

:

Prince: hmm.

806

:

Mm hmm.

807

:

Scott: in some countries like

Germany, you can't homeschool, right?

808

:

It's not even an option in the U

S the, the impact of COVID really

809

:

opened a lot of eyes for parents

and it actually helped fuel.

810

:

The homeschooling movement, and there were

a lot of people brought in because they're

811

:

like, what, like they, they realized

like it was, they weren't getting what

812

:

they, they thought they were getting,

uh, or they were getting extra things

813

:

that they didn't want, uh, in there.

814

:

So things, for example, that might change

for, um, uh, a young family would be,

815

:

you guys did a lot of home swapping.

816

:

There are a lot of young couples now that

might be forced to rent just because the,

817

:

where we are in the, in the fiat cycle.

818

:

So what I'm saying with that is some

things have changed and I'm just

819

:

curious, like if you're, for the people

listening now, if you were sitting down

820

:

with one of those young couples, what

would have, what would you say to them?

821

:

Would anything change from what you,

what you captured in your, in your book?

822

:

Because I know you guys put a

lot of thought into that, but the

823

:

world's changed quite a bit in

the last five, seven years, right?

824

:

So I just want to just ask you

to reflect a little bit on that.

825

:

Is there anything that

you would, um, You say

826

:

Prince: Well, when we were, when we were

traveling, we did decide at one stage

827

:

to stop in France because we wanted our

children to learn a second language.

828

:

So they did go to school for a little

while to, to, to use the language and

829

:

during COVID we decided to take them

out of school, which, like you said,

830

:

so many people decided to take the

children out of school in France too.

831

:

They saw, um, the state education wasn't

quite what they wanted anymore, but

832

:

since then France has changed the laws.

833

:

Uh, well, interestingly enough, late

:

834

:

uh, they decided to change the

homeschooling laws, so it's, it's

835

:

really hard to homeschool in France now.

836

:

And I'm seeing so, so many European

countries, especially Western

837

:

European countries, are, um,

making it harder for the parents.

838

:

The, the hoops you have to jump

through makes it really, really hard.

839

:

The paperwork.

840

:

the assessments for the children.

841

:

And for example, in France, when you

homeschool, you have to teach the state

842

:

education to your children, which for me,

that's not the point of homeschooling.

843

:

So, um, so if For me, it's a lot easier

to drop my children at school at eight

844

:

o'clock in the morning and pick them up

at four o'clock in the afternoon than

845

:

to have them at home if I was going to

have them learn the state education.

846

:

So why would I teach them

that at home all day?

847

:

Um, so, uh, yeah, it, I, it, it's,

it's much more difficult, I'd say now

848

:

you've really got to, and, um, yeah,

as, as a parent, I'd say that to another

849

:

homeschooling parent is that I constantly

have doubts in what I'm doing all the time

850

:

and reassess things and I, but I think

I would do that if they were at school.

851

:

You know, if, if they're at

school, I'd always be thinking,

852

:

am I doing the right thing?

853

:

Are they in the right school?

854

:

Is everything working, but we always

doing that, uh, the kids is this working.

855

:

And, you know, I suppose it's about

being adaptable to everything and the

856

:

children, because they're also different.

857

:

And

858

:

Scott: these the fight you stage is

scary with the you know I did I did

859

:

not realize that the to the extent

that you're describing Like how

860

:

much the the they're going that way.

861

:

Sorry, Daniel.

862

:

I didn't

863

:

Prince: there's a lot of regular,

lot of regulatory creep, um, across

864

:

all of, uh, of all of Europe, uh,

especially in, um, even the UK that,

865

:

you know, it's, it's getting tighter.

866

:

Yeah.

867

:

It's probably one of the

freer places in Europe.

868

:

So we were talking to the founder of a

Sudbury Valley school in, in Southeast.

869

:

England in Kent, and she was explaining

how the regulatory creep is creeping

870

:

up on them to the point where now they

can only accept in quote students to

871

:

come to the, and Sudbury Valley is a

democratic style, uh, school styled after

872

:

the Sudbury Valley School in, in the us.

873

:

Uh, and uh, she said, yeah, we can

only have students come in between

874

:

Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

875

:

Uh, between 9.

876

:

30 and 3.

877

:

30, because if we have any more minutes

than that, then we are operating as a

878

:

school, in air quotes, and we come up

under a completely different regulation.

879

:

More of an association, I suppose.

880

:

Yeah, so when you look at Montessori

schools, or Waldorf Steiner schools, or

881

:

any of these other kind of alternative,

again in air quotes, schools, Uh,

882

:

if they're working five days a week,

they're just a quasi state school

883

:

with a kind of They are in France.

884

:

Yeah.

885

:

In fact, anything else just

recently closed down, I didn't

886

:

realize, but one by one.

887

:

Mm hmm.

888

:

And I think it's because they're not

doing the state So they used to be kind of

889

:

like forest schools and things here, but

they've just been regulated out of town.

890

:

Scott: wow.

891

:

Prince: if you are, if you're welcoming

kids into, um, an institution five

892

:

days a week, then therefore you need

to have, it's like banking, you know,

893

:

you can only bank if you've got a

license from the federal reserve or

894

:

from the bank of England or whatever,

you can only school if you've got a

895

:

license from the ministry of education.

896

:

And if you have that license, then there

are certain things that you need to.

897

:

Uh, adhere to and certain requirements

and regulations and so if you really

898

:

want to be a democratic school, you're

like, no, we're not doing any of that.

899

:

This is the whole point of this school.

900

:

Then they start crimping the amount of

time you can actually offer to the kids.

901

:

So this is going on

902

:

Scott: Wow.

903

:

So other countries that are going

the other way other countries

904

:

that are Kind of a bastion for

905

:

Prince: up.

906

:

None I've seen.

907

:

I think Eastern Europe might be easier.

908

:

I don't know for sure.

909

:

I know there's a lot of them.

910

:

Homeschoolers more in, um,

Czech Republic and, um, maybe

911

:

Bulgaria and places like that.

912

:

But yeah, those countries, I

suppose, where they, yeah, they.

913

:

Uh, I, I'm not sure it's a hundred

percent, but I think it's pretty much.

914

:

You can fly under the

radar in those countries.

915

:

But it's prohibited in places like

Sweden or Scandinavia, Netherlands,

916

:

Germany, Very difficult in

France, very difficult in Spain,

917

:

Scott: So maybe if you, someone wanted to

world school today, maybe they should be

918

:

looking at Asia or some somewhere else.

919

:

Prince: Well in Asia,

920

:

Tali: I interviewed a homeschooler in

a Bitcoin homeschooler in Portugal,

921

:

and she said that she pulled her

oldest one out during COVID, and she

922

:

had a lot of trouble with paperwork.

923

:

But then second one, because he never

went into the system, there's no problem.

924

:

So if you move to Portugal, and you

don't enter the system at all, it's

925

:

actually quite easy, as far as I

926

:

Prince: Yeah, you gotta be,

you gotta be flying very low.

927

:

It's about not being a

resident in some countries.

928

:

Like for, France is different.

929

:

If you're, even if you're not a resident.

930

:

They say you have right to free

education, so you should be at school.

931

:

Um, but places like Portugal and

Spain, I think if you've not,

932

:

Scott: hmm.

933

:

Mm

934

:

Prince: registered.

935

:

Well, it's getting into health

systems and things like that as well.

936

:

You know, like as soon as you're in

that, that flags another bureau and

937

:

that flags this and that flags that.

938

:

That's where they make it difficult.

939

:

If you look, you know,

Europe's quite socialist.

940

:

If you wanted any child benefits or

anything like that, you don't get it if

941

:

you don't send your children to school.

942

:

Um, things like that.

943

:

But to go back to your, your original

question, Scott, about, um, if

944

:

people are thinking about doing world

schooling, what's changed and whatever,

945

:

uh, I would say, yeah, I mean, by

and large, it's still the same.

946

:

In fact, I would say it could even

be easier in finding accommodation

947

:

now because things such as.

948

:

Couch surfing and I mean, Airbnb

has bloomed in the 10 years

949

:

since we've been doing it.

950

:

We use home exchange and yeah, if

you do not have your own property

951

:

to exchange, then of course,

that's a problem, but people do

952

:

exchange their rented apartments.

953

:

That's permission from them.

954

:

Yeah, it's up to them to.

955

:

Yeah.

956

:

And I suppose it's no different

to family sitting is a big, big

957

:

thing looking after people's pets

and pet sitting, house sitting.

958

:

Uh, working on farms and that there's

ways you can do it, uh, Woofing, that's

959

:

called, or there's HelpX as well.

960

:

Uh, there are ways that you can

do it as a family, no doubt.

961

:

Uh, there's probably less available, uh,

cheap airlines around the world these

962

:

days because they've been squeezed.

963

:

So maybe that price has gone up a little

bit, but, uh, I would say it'd still

964

:

be cheaper than most people would ever.

965

:

They don't believe you when you

tell them traveling long term is a

966

:

cheaper way to live than just sitting

steady and still in one place.

967

:

Uh, and any world schooler

will tell you that.

968

:

It does sound very privileged, doesn't it?

969

:

Yeah, it does.

970

:

But, you know, once you, once you go

and you start moving and you start

971

:

figuring things out and, uh, falling

into, uh, your rhythm, um, you, you

972

:

learn all the hacks and the tricks and

the tools and what works best for you.

973

:

Uh, it's still very doable and, uh,

honestly, I think if somebody was thinking

974

:

about doing it, do a six weeker or

something, you know, just, just try six

975

:

weeks somewhere, try and get a home swap

set up or a couple of home swaps set up

976

:

or a house sit, whatever it is, and just

go for it and see what it's like and then

977

:

come back and like, well, did that work?

978

:

Did we enjoy it?

979

:

We're all still breathing, right?

980

:

And can we do this for

six months next time?

981

:

Because the, the upside is so huge

and When you were asking us, you know,

982

:

again, about what were family and friends

thinking on your original decision, and

983

:

it feels to me as though still to this

day, we're judged on the original decision

984

:

rather than the results and the kids,

which are unquestionable when you sit down

985

:

and actually talk to them and see them and

just wonder at the different Thank you.

986

:

experiences that they've had,

now they're bilingual, like that

987

:

wouldn't have happened if they'd

sat in a classroom for, you know,

988

:

goodness knows how many times a day.

989

:

When our kids arrived in France, they

started learning Spanish at school at the

990

:

same time as they were learning French,

which they hadn't, um, learned before.

991

:

So, um, and our daughter said to us the

other day, she's been learning Spanish

992

:

for six years and French for six years,

but she's completely bilingual in French.

993

:

And she learned Spanish at school

through a classroom and she's

994

:

like, I can't speak Spanish.

995

:

I've learned it for seven years,

but, um, yeah, so it just shows you

996

:

the difference between immersion.

997

:

And classroom learning.

998

:

Scott: Yeah.

999

:

A hundred percent.

:

00:56:02,544 --> 00:56:03,514

That's a great example.

:

00:56:03,834 --> 00:56:04,084

Yeah.

:

00:56:04,084 --> 00:56:07,844

I know everything you're saying by

both of you that it's worth it, right?

:

00:56:07,844 --> 00:56:12,574

There's, there's a lot of, this is going

to take some work and, but it's worth it.

:

00:56:13,044 --> 00:56:17,274

The relationship with your kids, what the

experiences that they're going to develop

:

00:56:17,294 --> 00:56:21,524

their frameworks for life, the experiences

that are just going to help shape them,

:

00:56:21,534 --> 00:56:26,034

that it's, it's worth it fighting the

bureaucracy and the paperwork and.

:

00:56:26,644 --> 00:56:28,804

Um, whatever else that you

have to, you have to deal

:

00:56:28,879 --> 00:56:29,209

Prince: Yep.

:

00:56:29,309 --> 00:56:30,519

It's exactly what you said earlier.

:

00:56:30,739 --> 00:56:33,439

You've got this one

limited time with them.

:

00:56:33,709 --> 00:56:38,219

They're only young for so long,

and then they'll have their own

:

00:56:38,779 --> 00:56:40,379

lives and their own projects.

:

00:56:40,409 --> 00:56:43,719

And, and obviously

they'll go and come back.

:

00:56:43,729 --> 00:56:48,564

Well, they're still family, but

Um, it's, it's such a limited

:

00:56:48,564 --> 00:56:50,014

time, there's only this one time

:

00:56:52,344 --> 00:56:52,634

Scott: right,

:

00:56:52,844 --> 00:56:53,324

Prince: it work.

:

00:56:54,164 --> 00:56:58,334

Tali: I just have one quick one more

question, which is for your older kids.

:

00:56:58,374 --> 00:57:01,524

Do they talk about whether or not

they're also looking to homeschool?

:

00:57:02,739 --> 00:57:04,059

When they have their own children.

:

00:57:05,355 --> 00:57:06,425

Prince: Yeah, good question.

:

00:57:07,115 --> 00:57:08,755

Uh, I don't know.

:

00:57:08,845 --> 00:57:09,945

No, I don't know.

:

00:57:09,945 --> 00:57:12,245

I don't know what they would do.

:

00:57:14,375 --> 00:57:14,745

Yeah, I don't know.

:

00:57:15,295 --> 00:57:15,815

I don't know.

:

00:57:16,145 --> 00:57:19,475

Um, thankfully, not had that one yet.

:

00:57:19,635 --> 00:57:21,095

Uh, maybe that one's coming.

:

00:57:21,095 --> 00:57:24,065

Harold, have they spoken

to you about that?

:

00:57:24,619 --> 00:57:27,479

Tali: Yes, uh, we actually

have talked a lot about that.

:

00:57:27,479 --> 00:57:32,059

We have a 20 year old son who is

engaged to another homeschooler.

:

00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:34,709

They kind of grew up together

in the homeschooling program.

:

00:57:34,759 --> 00:57:37,099

And both of them are already talking.

:

00:57:37,234 --> 00:57:40,544

extensively about how they want

to raise their children and

:

00:57:40,664 --> 00:57:41,884

definitely want to homeschool.

:

00:57:42,124 --> 00:57:45,274

But her mom's approach to homeschooling

was so different from mine.

:

00:57:45,294 --> 00:57:48,424

And so he said that they want to

take a little bit from her side and a

:

00:57:48,424 --> 00:57:50,584

little bit from his side, combine them.

:

00:57:50,584 --> 00:57:54,094

So he, uh, so Nolan has

talked extensively about that.

:

00:57:54,104 --> 00:57:56,724

My girls have said, well,

actually, Brianna has said that

:

00:57:56,824 --> 00:57:58,504

she definitely wants to homeschool.

:

00:57:58,504 --> 00:57:59,854

And Alaya says she's not sure.

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00:57:59,854 --> 00:58:01,784

It depends on her circumstance.

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00:58:02,389 --> 00:58:05,239

And Caden's 16, so he's

not thinking that far yet.

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00:58:07,110 --> 00:58:08,850

Prince: Oh, that's,

that's, that's interesting.

:

00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,150

And, and congrats, uh, on the look.

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00:58:12,210 --> 00:58:13,950

I hope, I'm sure you're

looking forward to the big day.

:

00:58:14,439 --> 00:58:14,999

Scott: It's going to be,

:

00:58:15,379 --> 00:58:18,999

Tali: It's a little strange, you know, I

wasn't expecting it to happen this soon.

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00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:20,350

Prince: Yeah.

:

00:58:20,729 --> 00:58:22,199

Tali: He's a little on the young side.

:

00:58:22,404 --> 00:58:24,674

Scott: He's young, but he

thinks he thinks longterm.

:

00:58:25,194 --> 00:58:29,834

So I, I wasn't mature enough at 20

to make a life decision like that.

:

00:58:30,404 --> 00:58:33,514

I just wasn't ready, but

they're very, very thoughtful.

:

00:58:33,794 --> 00:58:37,174

So they're very, they're, they're very

thoughtful about what they're trying

:

00:58:37,174 --> 00:58:40,684

to plan for the future and good autumn.

:

00:58:41,034 --> 00:58:44,024

There, just because it was a different

timing than me, I'll have to, I'll

:

00:58:44,024 --> 00:58:47,334

just have to learn and I can't

force other people into my path.

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00:58:47,334 --> 00:58:51,714

So, um, but it's, yeah, you, I

think, I think as a parent, you're,

:

00:58:52,364 --> 00:58:54,954

you're like learning more than

the kids are from the experience.

:

00:58:55,754 --> 00:58:59,744

And I know, I feel like that for

me, it's been a personal journey

:

00:58:59,744 --> 00:59:00,964

and this is just the next step.

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00:59:02,114 --> 00:59:04,242

So, Mm

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00:59:04,730 --> 00:59:08,030

Prince: if there's gonna be more and

more homeschooled kids in the next 10 to

:

00:59:08,035 --> 00:59:10,280

15 years because it changes everything.

:

00:59:10,285 --> 00:59:15,190

It changes the way people look,

how they, uh, look at life, how

:

00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:17,710

they act, how they interact.

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00:59:18,060 --> 00:59:18,570

Um.

:

00:59:18,765 --> 00:59:23,065

And one thing that I've noticed going

to the conferences that I've been going

:

00:59:23,065 --> 00:59:26,515

to for the last 18 months, people come

up to me and they stop me and they

:

00:59:26,515 --> 00:59:28,465

tap me on the shoulder and they're

like, listen, I just want to tell

:

00:59:28,465 --> 00:59:29,825

you I love this show and everything.

:

00:59:30,205 --> 00:59:33,265

We love that Lauren asks the first

question and blah, blah, blah,

:

00:59:33,265 --> 00:59:34,775

that first 10 minutes is golden.

:

00:59:35,245 --> 00:59:36,335

And they're like, and you know what?

:

00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:43,930

I had no idea that the education system

was set up the way it was and my kids

:

00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:48,250

will never go to state school because of

listening to your interviews with what you

:

00:59:48,250 --> 00:59:52,250

guys have been on and whoever else I've

had on I must have like 15 or 20 different

:

00:59:52,270 --> 00:59:54,450

episodes now focused purely on that.

:

00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:56,570

And they're like, no, blown away.

:

00:59:56,770 --> 00:59:58,340

Can't believe I ever went through that.

:

00:59:58,340 --> 00:59:59,900

Can't believe I never questioned it.

:

01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,610

But all I do know is when I do

get married and we do have kids,

:

01:00:03,830 --> 01:00:06,180

they ain't going to state school

or I've got to find a partner.

:

01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,080

Who already thinks that their kids

are never going to go to state school.

:

01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,850

And I know I've probably

found the right partner.

:

01:00:11,850 --> 01:00:16,490

So it's, it's great to hear that, uh,

you know, you're, you're expecting

:

01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:17,740

just to talk about Bitcoin the whole

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01:00:17,759 --> 01:00:18,229

Scott: Mm hmm.

:

01:00:19,550 --> 01:00:21,170

Prince: that's, that's

just a nice takeaway.

:

01:00:21,419 --> 01:00:25,159

Scott: Yeah, you guys are the OGs of, of

world schooling to the, I mean, they're

:

01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:27,389

like, oh man, look, they were in early.

:

01:00:27,389 --> 01:00:28,309

They did it, you know, like,

:

01:00:29,099 --> 01:00:29,309

Tali: Yeah.

:

01:00:29,314 --> 01:00:34,589

I think now that our eyes are opened,

a lot of people have talked to us after

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01:00:34,589 --> 01:00:39,239

our, um, homeschooling panel discussions

different places and said, I, I don't

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01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:43,649

have a significant other, so I don't have

any children, but when it does happen.

:

01:00:43,934 --> 01:00:47,774

They're getting homeschooled like

young people coming up to us and

:

01:00:47,784 --> 01:00:49,984

they're listening to the discussions.

:

01:00:50,049 --> 01:00:54,579

Scott: I think Bitcoiners are already

primed, like they're already, the

:

01:00:54,579 --> 01:00:59,849

idea of proof of work, um, taking self

custody of anything, money or education,

:

01:00:59,859 --> 01:01:03,869

like they're already in separation of

education and state, like they're, these,

:

01:01:03,919 --> 01:01:11,419

the concept of applying that to a new

area I think is a lot faster than, than

:

01:01:11,429 --> 01:01:16,889

the homeschoolers who are They, they

have a lot of the, the core, they value

:

01:01:16,889 --> 01:01:19,849

freedom, they value taking care of their

kids and their education and all that.

:

01:01:20,819 --> 01:01:22,999

But they're, they're like so far behind.

:

01:01:23,009 --> 01:01:27,799

They're not primed to hear a

new way of doing things, right?

:

01:01:27,799 --> 01:01:30,049

Our experience has been a lot

of the people who've chosen

:

01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:31,429

homeschooling, they're overwhelmed.

:

01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:35,249

Maybe now they're, they're trying

to get by on one, one income.

:

01:01:35,419 --> 01:01:37,479

So they're probably being super frugal.

:

01:01:38,209 --> 01:01:40,569

They're trying to figure out all the

curriculum that they need to have.

:

01:01:41,189 --> 01:01:44,089

And then you come along or

Tali and I come along and say,

:

01:01:44,739 --> 01:01:46,149

Hey, we, you should add this.

:

01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:48,989

You should add money to your, your thing.

:

01:01:48,989 --> 01:01:51,459

And by the way, it's

not Dave Ramsey, right?

:

01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:54,519

Like, you know, it's, it's, it's

this, this whole other thing.

:

01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:56,309

And you try to explain it to

them, their eyes glaze over.

:

01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:58,129

So now you're scaring

them with a new topic.

:

01:01:58,829 --> 01:02:00,229

They don't know how

they're going to fit it in.

:

01:02:00,339 --> 01:02:02,679

And if they do fit it in now that you're

going to try to convince them that you're

:

01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:04,179

the one that has trusted resources for it.

:

01:02:04,189 --> 01:02:06,029

So they're like, there's like

battle, battle, battle, battle.

:

01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:08,699

So they will eventually get there.

:

01:02:09,174 --> 01:02:11,804

Over the next, I don't know how

many years it'll, it'll, it'll take,

:

01:02:11,814 --> 01:02:16,854

but going to any Bitcoin meetup,

people are primed like they're,

:

01:02:17,264 --> 01:02:18,754

their mindset is already that way.

:

01:02:18,754 --> 01:02:20,584

And now they're just

applying it to their health.

:

01:02:20,644 --> 01:02:22,163

They're applying it to education.

:

01:02:22,163 --> 01:02:24,624

They're applying it to

just fill in the blank.

:

01:02:25,254 --> 01:02:27,114

They're just applying those

principles to the next thing and

:

01:02:27,134 --> 01:02:28,534

the next thing and the next thing.

:

01:02:28,634 --> 01:02:29,804

And it's true with education.

:

01:02:29,904 --> 01:02:32,374

So yeah, it's exciting.

:

01:02:32,614 --> 01:02:34,384

This is our area where

we feel like we can help.

:

01:02:34,924 --> 01:02:37,364

Give back to, like I said in

the introduction, like we're,

:

01:02:37,754 --> 01:02:39,344

we're not the techies, right?

:

01:02:39,344 --> 01:02:42,764

We're not gonna be able to explain

to you how the technical stuff works.

:

01:02:42,824 --> 01:02:46,114

Um, but, um, you know, we're not

financially analysts or anything like

:

01:02:46,174 --> 01:02:50,314

that, but I mean, this, this area we've,

we've, this is what we dedicate our lives

:

01:02:50,314 --> 01:02:51,913

to do with in terms of raising the kids.

:

01:02:51,913 --> 01:02:55,034

And it, it, it fits with the

mission of, and the freedom

:

01:02:55,074 --> 01:02:56,734

oriented people in Bitcoin.

:

01:02:56,924 --> 01:03:00,354

So, and we get to meet great

folks like, like yourselves.

:

01:03:00,354 --> 01:03:03,694

Like if we hadn't done this,

we never would have taught.

:

01:03:04,229 --> 01:03:07,779

I'd still be listening to my podcast

or, you know, books, whatever, seeing

:

01:03:07,779 --> 01:03:10,879

the kids, maybe a couple minutes at

night if I'm lucky because I'm so

:

01:03:10,879 --> 01:03:13,099

tired, I just want to go to bed, right?

:

01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:14,189

That would have been the alternative.

:

01:03:14,788 --> 01:03:19,169

And instead we're, we're out making

much deeper connections with people

:

01:03:19,169 --> 01:03:23,009

who value have the same kind of values

we have from all over the world.

:

01:03:23,059 --> 01:03:26,549

Tali is interviewing ladies from

like literally all over the world.

:

01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:29,249

And we're talking about going to Madeira.

:

01:03:29,329 --> 01:03:32,349

We're talking about other

things that we want to do.

:

01:03:32,369 --> 01:03:33,279

We went to El Salvador.

:

01:03:33,749 --> 01:03:37,529

We never would have done that had

we not been in this community.

:

01:03:37,529 --> 01:03:39,439

So it's, it's very exciting to be part of.

:

01:03:40,259 --> 01:03:42,919

And hopefully the kids are watching

and they'll get some ideas and

:

01:03:42,919 --> 01:03:46,288

they'll say, yeah, we want to, we

want to do what mom and dad did.

:

01:03:46,709 --> 01:03:47,099

I hope

:

01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,310

Prince: Well, we hope

to see you in Madeira.

:

01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:51,070

We'll, we'll be there.

:

01:03:51,070 --> 01:03:54,040

So if you get across, uh, it'd be

cool to, uh, to hang out with you.

:

01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:56,149

Scott: Yeah, that'd be awesome.

:

01:03:56,419 --> 01:03:57,139

Hey, let's do that.

:

01:03:57,614 --> 01:04:00,774

Prince: For me personally, it's

the, um, it's those conversations.

:

01:04:00,774 --> 01:04:02,174

It's the meeting the people.

:

01:04:02,834 --> 01:04:04,614

Um, I don't have.

:

01:04:05,274 --> 01:04:10,084

inspiring conversations day to day

with people around in our communities.

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01:04:10,504 --> 01:04:11,334

Other than you, babe.

:

01:04:11,734 --> 01:04:18,174

But, um, but then, uh, when we, uh, go

to those, those, uh, those conferences or

:

01:04:18,174 --> 01:04:23,804

the meetups, just every conversation, what

people are doing or how they're doing it.

:

01:04:23,874 --> 01:04:27,644

And it just, the

conversations blow me away.

:

01:04:27,644 --> 01:04:30,254

And it just, it, it's inspiring.

:

01:04:30,254 --> 01:04:35,229

It gives me Hope, uh, you

know, I can, I can just feel

:

01:04:35,419 --> 01:04:37,649

inside me just a positiveness.

:

01:04:38,324 --> 01:04:42,004

Um, from those conversations, which, you

know, don't get quite so much these days.

:

01:04:42,254 --> 01:04:42,674

Right.

:

01:04:42,694 --> 01:04:46,663

Scott: So, so here we've gone

through this, this, this

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01:04:46,674 --> 01:04:47,594

awesome experience you have.

:

01:04:47,594 --> 01:04:51,114

It's the proof of work, the way your,

your kids have seen the world and what

:

01:04:51,114 --> 01:04:55,134

they experience and they're bilingual

and they, they have a whole different.

:

01:04:55,499 --> 01:05:00,779

Perspective and you have these

relationship and experiences together.

:

01:05:00,788 --> 01:05:02,089

And that is just awesome.

:

01:05:02,099 --> 01:05:03,719

So just a shout out to you guys.

:

01:05:04,219 --> 01:05:09,019

As we, as we wrap up, what would be

maybe one or two of your favorite

:

01:05:09,019 --> 01:05:11,889

resources that you might point people to?

:

01:05:12,059 --> 01:05:13,939

I mean, obviously we're going

to put in the show notes, a

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01:05:13,939 --> 01:05:15,959

link to one's bitten and to.

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01:05:16,749 --> 01:05:18,809

To, um, to your book.

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01:05:18,859 --> 01:05:19,469

Choose life.

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01:05:20,179 --> 01:05:24,699

So we'll have links to, to that, but is

there anything else that you guys have

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01:05:24,699 --> 01:05:27,559

that are favorite resources or favorite

things that you like to point people to?

:

01:05:29,484 --> 01:05:31,224

Prince: We use a lot of

different things, don't we?

:

01:05:31,225 --> 01:05:33,394

We use Khan Academy quite a bit.

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01:05:34,484 --> 01:05:34,504

Yeah.

:

01:05:35,224 --> 01:05:35,834

KUBRIO.

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01:05:35,904 --> 01:05:38,384

K U B R I O.

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01:05:38,774 --> 01:05:40,544

Online learning platform.

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01:05:40,774 --> 01:05:42,974

Online self directed education platform.

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01:05:43,214 --> 01:05:48,184

Probably for I think the sweet spot for

kids aged between 8 to 14 at the moment.

:

01:05:49,094 --> 01:05:54,084

Uh, then, Out School, obviously

has a lot of, uh, stuff on there

:

01:05:54,774 --> 01:05:56,144

that you can just plug into.

:

01:05:56,714 --> 01:06:00,104

And if you want to go down the

rabbit hole, and like we said, in

:

01:06:00,124 --> 01:06:05,874

getting yourself prepared first

is key, uh, uh, any of the books

:

01:06:05,874 --> 01:06:09,054

by John Holt, that's H O L T.

:

01:06:09,454 --> 01:06:10,044

Peter Gray.

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01:06:10,264 --> 01:06:12,144

Peter Gray's book, Free to Learn.

:

01:06:12,504 --> 01:06:15,574

I have an interview with Peter

on the Once Bitten podcast.

:

01:06:16,899 --> 01:06:20,929

also have an interview with Pat

Ferringer, who carried on John Holt's

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01:06:20,929 --> 01:06:22,929

work as well on the Once Bitten podcast.

:

01:06:22,929 --> 01:06:25,629

So if you just go to Once Bitten and

search Peter Gray, you'll find it,

:

01:06:25,689 --> 01:06:27,769

or Pat Ferringer, you'll find it.

:

01:06:27,770 --> 01:06:29,659

Naomi Fisher.

:

01:06:29,729 --> 01:06:34,624

Naomi Fisher, she's written a book, two

books now, uh, that are very worth digging

:

01:06:34,624 --> 01:06:39,134

into, uh, because she comes at this from

a clinical child psychologist point of

:

01:06:39,134 --> 01:06:45,604

view that was in the system before she had

to get out of the system because she saw,

:

01:06:45,874 --> 01:06:50,964

like her, her big light bulb moment was

maybe there's nothing wrong with the kids.

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01:06:51,004 --> 01:06:51,724

Maybe it's the

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01:06:51,779 --> 01:06:52,399

Scott: Mm hmm.

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01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,233

Mm

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01:06:53,544 --> 01:06:56,214

Prince: then of course she was

canceled for saying such things.

:

01:06:56,894 --> 01:07:05,394

And, uh, John Taylor Gatto,

all of his books, incredible.

:

01:07:05,934 --> 01:07:07,354

Gabo Marte.

:

01:07:07,355 --> 01:07:07,663

Gabo Marte.

:

01:07:07,663 --> 01:07:08,663

Hold on to your kids.

:

01:07:09,279 --> 01:07:10,099

Another book.

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01:07:10,429 --> 01:07:10,929

Yeah.

:

01:07:11,209 --> 01:07:16,199

Uh, and for the Austrian economic minded

people out there, go and read Rothbard's

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01:07:16,219 --> 01:07:19,809

book, Education Free and Compulsory.

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01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:22,999

So if you're coming at this from

a Bitcoin slant or an Austrian

:

01:07:23,019 --> 01:07:25,409

economics slant, go read Rothbard.

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01:07:25,669 --> 01:07:26,299

It's amazing.

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01:07:26,409 --> 01:07:26,929

Scott: Okay.

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01:07:27,538 --> 01:07:28,509

Oh, I love it.

:

01:07:29,019 --> 01:07:30,879

I can't wait to put

all the links to those.

:

01:07:30,879 --> 01:07:32,709

And then Tali and I

are always looking for,

:

01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:33,809

Prince: Sorry for the extra

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01:07:34,149 --> 01:07:38,339

Scott: no, I mean, it's great because

now there are things that we haven't yet

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01:07:39,169 --> 01:07:45,429

read or explored and, and that's just,

that's a fantastic, uh, fantastic start.

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01:07:45,538 --> 01:07:47,969

So we'll absolutely check all those out.

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01:07:48,899 --> 01:07:51,589

But any other, any other final

thoughts, Claire, Tali, you

:

01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:53,019

guys, uh, you want to get out.

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01:07:54,979 --> 01:07:59,029

No, guys, we really we really appreciate

your time we're looking forward to

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01:07:59,029 --> 01:08:04,529

hopefully meeting up maybe in Madeira And

best of luck with these other the next

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01:08:04,529 --> 01:08:06,019

stages that you guys go through as well.

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01:08:07,788 --> 01:08:08,439

Prince: Thank you for having us.

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01:08:08,439 --> 01:08:09,059

Thank you very much.

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Tali Lindberg

Hey there, wonderful listeners! I'm Tali, and I'm so excited to welcome you to our podcast today. For two decades, I was knee-deep in the incredible journey of homeschooling my four amazing kids. It was a world of boundless creativity, filled with lesson plans, school projects, sports, and beautiful chaos. But when my children all graduated, a brand-new, unforeseen adventure awaited me - the captivating world of Bitcoin.

It took three years for Scott to bring me into Bitcoin. I hesitated at first, Bitcoin's intricacies seemed daunting, and my plate was already quite full. But he persisted, going so far as to create a fantastic bitcoin-mining board game called HODL UP to demystify it all. Before I knew it, I was down the Bitcoin rabbit hole. Just like my homeschooling journey, I took it one step at a time, learning and evolving as I ventured further.

Now, here we are today, and I couldn't be more thrilled to be part of the vibrant Bitcoin community. In an unexpected twist, my husband Scott and I realized that our homeschooling experiences can be a treasure trove of insights for Bitcoiners who, like us, want to take charge of their children's education. So, in addition to sharing our Bitcoin knowledge with Precoiners with HODL UP and the Orange Hatter podcast, we're here to offer tips and guidance for Bitcoin-homeschoolers. It's going to be an incredible journey, and I can't wait to share it with all of you. Enjoy the ride!
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Scott Lindberg

Scott Lindberg is a freedom-loving entrepreneur, author, and game designer. He is a proponent of finding freedom by taking self-custody of education, money and speech.

He and his wife, Tali, co-founded Free Market Kids. Their passion is to give the next generation the knowledge and tools to maximize their chances for freedom, success and happiness. Free Market Kids makes it easy and fun to introduce money concepts to kids through tabletop games, courses, lesson plans and trusted resources. They are best known for HODL UP™, a Bitcoin mining game.

Scott graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1993 with a Bachelor of Science in Systems Engineering. In 2001, he graduated Yale’s School of Management with a Master of Business Administration.