₿HS014: Clair and Daniel Prince Share World-Schooling-Bitcoiner Lessons

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This is called alternative education.

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What we've come to realize, and many

homeschoolers have come to realize,

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that alternative education is locking

a kid in a freaking classroom with

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30 strangers for eight hours a day.

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That's alternative.

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There's nothing natural there.

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The critical thinking I think is

the most important thing and being

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able to make their own decisions,

look into things themselves.

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not take everything at face value.

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There's gonna be more and more

homeschooled kids in the next 10 to 15

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years So for anybody that's contemplating

this, it's, , very important to understand

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that you've got to do a lot of de

schooling and unprogramming of your.

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Own.

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. Scott: Welcome Bitcoin homeschoolers.

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Talia and I are always thinking about how

we can give back and we're not coders.

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We can't make wallets.

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We're not financial analysts.

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We're not gonna write a book

on the history of money.

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But we do have over two

decades of homeschooling.

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We believe very strongly in the

separation of education state and

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the self custody of education.

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And the whole purpose of this Bitcoin

Homeschooler podcast is to serve as

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a vehicle for us to help give back.

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Part of that Is hearing other points of

view and other experiences and today we

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are blessed to have Daniel and Claire

Prince and talk about proof of work.

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These guys are world schooling, they have

written a book called Choose Life about

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it, and we cannot wait to get into it.

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So, guys, welcome.

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Prince: Thanks for having us on.

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Great to be here.

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Scott: Alright, my thought is maybe we

start off the conversation, assuming

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that people have not read your book.

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Could you just give a little bit of

background on like your, your path

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on where you are that I think just to

help ground things for the audience.

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Tali: ground things

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Prince: Yeah, absolutely.

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We started this journey into

homeschooling, world schooling,

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unschooling, self directed

education, uh, all of the above.

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Because they all kind of like merge

into one thing back in: 2014

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2014, we, we left their old life behind.

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We were living in Singapore at the time.

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We sold pretty much everything we

owned at that stage and took off

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with the kids and started traveling.

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We thought we might go

for six to nine months.

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But that ended up being two and a half,

almost three years of constant travel, uh,

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with the kids, four of them aged eight,

six, and two, three year old twins at

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the, uh, the time that we started that.

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Uh, and that, yeah, really kind of

took us down the journey of what it

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means to separate education from state.

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And we've done all kinds of different.

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education with them in a system, whether

that's private schooling, Montessori

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style, or straight up state school in

Singapore, straight up state school

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in France, and mix that over the last

10 years with other, other styles.

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Self led learning.

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Self led learning at the

moment, for sure, yeah.

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But originally it was nothing to do with

education as to why, why we fell into it.

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It was because We were looking

for a different way of living.

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We wanted to quit the rat race.

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And homeschooling was how we kind of

worked that first initial few years

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because we wanted the freedom of travel.

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And then once you start to learn about

it and read about it, and you realize

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And see the results and see the results

and actually get to spend time with

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your children and see how they're

learning and see how differently they

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all learn, you know, having four,

they all learn completely differently.

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And, uh,

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Scott: yeah, that's

really, they really do.

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What did you have support from both of

your both sides of the family or friends

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when you were making that decision?

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Prince: we had a lot of, interestingly,

we had some friends that were teachers.

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And they were really supportive

about it, maybe because of the age

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that the children were as well.

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Uh, family, not so much.

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I think it's a generational thing as well.

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They were more shocked.

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Yeah.

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And that comes from The fear of

ruining their grandchildren, I suppose.

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Yeah, and that comes from a point of,

obviously, love and concern and worry

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and fear that We were being irresponsible

and going to damage our kids chances

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of ever being able to go to college

and ever being able to get a job or

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ever being able to socialize properly.

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You know all of the FUD.

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Scott: Mm hmm.

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Right, right.

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So, Tali, you wanted to comment?

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Tali: Just from the point of

view of a mom, like logistic,

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logistically, how did you handle that?

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Because not only were you traveling,

which in and of itself is difficult,

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but when you're also trying to school

on top of that, what did you use?

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Like what material did you use?

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What was your method of teaching?

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Prince: Well, uh, originally, I mean, life

was crazy for us, um, at home back then.

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Um, Dan was probably not home much at all.

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So it was all on me.

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And I had, the twins that were

coming up for three and the,

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six year old and eight year old.

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And Singapore was very much keeping

up with the Joneses environment where

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they have to do all the activities

and, um, you know, swimming, dancing,

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tennis, uh, all the, all the above.

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And I was so stressed with getting

them everywhere and naps and trying

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to be the mom with no family to help.

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And, so something had to give.

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And it was more a case of me snapping

at a child because they've forgotten

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their ballet slippers at the age of six.

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And thinking, this isn't right, this,

why should my five year old even care

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about Um, ballet slippers and um,

so traveling and homeschooling now

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all of a sudden I've got Dan around

so I've got an extra person, um,

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to help, um, and we love to travel.

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She wanted to say Hinda there, by the way,

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Scott: Well, that's a,

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Prince: but um, Scott knows

what I'm talking about.

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Scott: Yeah, there's a transition.

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So not, we, we haven't done the world

schooling, but we're about a year trying

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to go full time with our entrepreneurial

Bitcoin education and it's different.

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I mean, I'll, from the man standpoint

to be, to be around, to see how much

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work Tali was doing to keep all kinds of

things going that I just had no idea on.

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And then I'm like, okay,

well, well now what do I do?

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Like, um, I wanted a man,

I'm supposed to help.

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No clue how this, this operation

is really, is really running.

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So, I mean, you guys, it sounds like

you guys did fine with it, but it was a

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Prince: No, to start with, it was

tough because we had different.

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Methods of discipline and different

methods of what approaches to teaching

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and different expectations of learning.

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So it took us a while to different

levels of patience as well.

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It turns out I'm not as patient as

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Scott: Daniel, are you

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helping

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Prince: but in the,

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Scott: Are you actually

helping teach then, too?

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Prince: different things.

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Um, we both have our skills.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Uh, yes, for sure.

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Um, I'm just trying to think

back to like the, the very

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early days when you're going.

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So for anybody that's contemplating this,

it's, I think, uh, very important to

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understand that you've got to do a lot of

de schooling and unprogramming of your.

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Own.

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Which we hadn't at the time.

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Yeah, of your own problems that you've

carried through your own schooling and

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into your adult life and whatever else.

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And the expectations of learning because

all we knew was Sit down and learn

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from a book, you know that that was

what has been drilled into us as well.

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And at that stage, I was coming

out of an 18 year career.

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So I've just done the linear thing.

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I've done to school, got some grades,

gone into an apprenticeship, got better,

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got moved up, got moved to a different

country, was on the fast track into,

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you know, Another 10 to 15 years of

just sitting there and grinding out and

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getting the retirement and whatever else

and all of a sudden that's gone and I'm

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at home every day and dual parenting

rather than single parenting and then

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trying to, you know, help the kids with

whatever it is that they're trying to do.

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Um, my levels of patience fluctuated

very, uh, quite volatile in the

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early days because I've been used to

being in a business scenario, 10, 11

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hours a day, five days a week, not

dealing with three year olds that are

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arguing over whose cup is who when

the cup is the same freaking color.

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That's all a million times.

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like, stuff like that I couldn't

handle, like, right, I gotta

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be out of the room right now.

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Scott: That's awesome.

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Yeah.

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I think, I mean, for me, what

I hear though, you, you're, you

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took, you made the leap, right?

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You, you said we're in this together.

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We're committing to this.

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You have the courage to, to do that.

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And then later on, it's not till

later on that you figure out how

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you do it, the capacity for it, and

let alone to have the confidence.

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Prince: Yeah, we took books with us

and we tried to pretend, um, that

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we were, we knew what we were doing.

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And, um, you know, occasionally would sit

down and say, right, open the books, kids.

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And then we realized that

that was really hard.

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And then we would go out and we, we

were traveling at times and then go to

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a museum or we'd be in a place where

every day was a lesson just traveling.

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then we realized that they were

actually getting so much from our

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traveling and our journey and.

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And hopefully they wouldn't remember it,

which I'm not sure they actually did.

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But, um, but yeah, so then it, we

tried to use the world as our school,

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but then occasionally we'd go, But

we have to do some more sit down

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stuff and try and them down again.

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And then that would end up in arguments

because, um, they didn't want to do that,

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or they'd get frustrated really quickly.

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it's an unnatural way to learn, right?

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This is the thing.

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This is called alternative education.

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What we've come to realize, and many

homeschoolers have come to realize,

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that alternative education is locking

a kid in a freaking classroom with

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30 strangers for eight hours a day.

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That's alternative.

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There's nothing natural there.

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Scott: right, I was just

going to ask you about that.

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I was, I mean, cause at some point the

light bulb goes on and you're like.

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I know you'd comment in your, in

your, your book about socialization.

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That was something that our

families had had concern about.

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Then they, they, as they get

older and you're worried, man,

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I'm, I'm almost too worried.

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Not, not too worried.

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I'm almost worried for the opposite

reason that they're too social.

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They, they're their confidence now

and handling a lot of different

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situations with a lot of different

types of adults and, and others.

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They're very confident in

things that I was like, Hmm.

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So like what was that like lightbulb

moment as you kind of realized what

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you just commented on Daniel where

you you realize that actually This

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is the natural way of learning.

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This is actually better for my kids.

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Like what when was that

moment for you guys?

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Prince: I don't even know if we get,

we've had a light bulb moment, but we do

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get a lot of compliments from strangers,

um, or people that just meet them about

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how they can to adults, look people

in the eye, um, engage with people.

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And that started happening very

early and still happens to this day.

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And that's nothing to

do with what we've done.

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I think it's purely by being

around us the whole time.

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I think that's just, it's like

An osmosis of being around us.

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They've just learnt how to

engage with people more.

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I think that's, uh, uh, one of

the big disadvantages of the world

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that children spend less time

with their parents these days.

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And I think they don't

learn so much from that.

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Yeah.

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And I think, um, perhaps a light bulb

moment for me was meeting other world

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schoolers and homeschooled kids.

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Uh, along the way, um, and even

really early, we read that blog post.

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What was her name?

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I don't know.

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Scott: You listed out like a

hundred resources in the book like I

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was like I was going through it and I'm

like you just had So many to look at

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I won't even pretend that I know which one

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Prince: Hannah Miller.

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Hannah Miller wrote this and

she was 13 when she wrote it

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and it was called, what's hell?

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Hell world schooling ruined my life.

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And it was like a brilliant clickbait

title and a satirical piece.

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But it was very satirical.

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It was, it was, it meant

actually the opposite.

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So yeah, I suppose those little

moments when um, one is like, I

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wish, I hope that by the age of 13

my child can write in this style

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and be as funny and as open as this.

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And then, um, you met other kids

around the world and like the slightly

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older ones, you're like, ah, okay.

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And like Claire said, they'll

come up, introduce themselves.

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You could be anywhere, on a beach, in a

park, in a little world school meetup.

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You'd fall into Facebook groups, so

you'd hit country, who's world schooling

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here, who's on their travels, and blah,

blah, blah, go and meet in the park.

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And you'd meet the other kids, so

like, ours were very young still,

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but you'd meet a 13, 14 year

old and they'd come up to you.

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shake your hand, introduce

themselves and sit down.

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Before you know it, you've had a

conversation for 30 or 40 minutes

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and they've told you where they've

been and this and the other thing.

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You're like, huh, I'm like just sitting

here, chilling out, chatting to a

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13 year old when I'm used to that

experience being, uh, hello, how are you?

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Um, yeah, nice.

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Um, how's school?

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Uh, oh yeah, yeah, it's okay.

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Like.

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With a normal schooled person and that

could even be your niece or nephew who

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you're supposed to be close to that

just cannot have that, you know, there's

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that barrier between you and them

because they're so used to being the

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only adult that they ever get exposed

to is the authority at the front of the

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classroom and that's their day to day.

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So, Those little light bulb moments for

me were like, yeah, we're on the right

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track with, with these kids because

look at, and this is what we keep

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coming up against now because Caitlin

is now 18, the twins are coming up 13.

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Every time we go away to

one of these conferences.

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They're sitting down for hours talking

to other Bitcoiner will call on me later.

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He's like, dude, your kids.

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I've just been talking to them for hours.

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I'm like, how old are they again?

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Yeah.

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Those guys are 12.

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Like, this is crazy.

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Scott: Well, a compliment to you guys

then for, uh, for raising them that way.

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Tali, you were, you were going

to ask something there to that?

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Tali: Well, I, I just want to kind

of second what you said with that's

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something that we have noticed in

our homeschooling groups as well.

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We haven't come across really a whole

lot of world travelers, but just the fact

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that the kids have daily conversations

with adults, mom and dad, if just mom and

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dad, that makes such a huge difference.

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More than the passing, , I'm

going to school now.

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Bye.

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I love you.

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You know, that kind of passing moment.

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But discussions in the kitchen, , just

over dinner table, that kind of stuff.

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Because what you guys did is a

huge, huge leap from somebody who

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is still stuck at a corporate job

and the kids are going to school.

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So it might seem like it's, it's

like a completely different world.

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But even if you just take small steps

toward having more conversations

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with your kids, you are already

moving in that direction.

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Kids respond really quickly.

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Something else I wanted to mention was

I wanted to ask you, uh, you mentioned a

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few minutes back that, , you'd be world

traveling, you'd be visiting museums

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and visiting these incredible cities.

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And then you suddenly realized,

Oh, I should probably make sure

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they can still write maybe too mad.

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And you're sitting them down.

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I don't know about your experience,

but for our kids, that was very painful

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because What I forgot for myself

was I needed transition time between

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running places and When I'm the one

who's coordinating all of it and I'm

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not the one doing the learning, I

forget that and then I force the kids

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without that transition time to sit

and then it becomes so difficult, you

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know, like the temper tantrums and

the meltdowns and things like that.

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What was your experience like and

what did you guys do to help the kids

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transition from going all over the place

and then sitting down quiet at the table?

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I do believe that that is part of

schooling and that is where self

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discipline comes into play and it is also

Really a necessary part of schooling.

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So what did you guys do?

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Prince: I can completely

relate to what you're saying.

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It's, it's when it's on your, on your

terms, like you've got to be somewhere.

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You're doing something.

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You're trying to rush them

through, sit down and do this.

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We've got half an hour to get this done.

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That's when it all.

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goes down and that's totally a parenting

issue, not the child's issue, but

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we put that onto them, I suppose.

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I don't know if we've ever, I agree,

you do have to do sit down things,

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you do have to do reading and writing

and things every now and then.

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Some days it works, some days it doesn't.

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, I don't know if we've ever solved it.

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I mean, I think as they've got

older, they've been able to do that

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themselves and do self study a bit more.

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And since they've been older, we've

been trying to follow, student

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led learning, which is that

they follow their own interests.

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So in the idea is that they're interested

in it themselves, so then they have

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much more motivation to, to sit down.

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So they'll join the clubs that they

want to join on, , like Cubrio,

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for example, we use, or Outskool.

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Uh, so then it's on them to

choose and decide which ones.

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We obviously help and guide

them and in some cases insist.

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Like, no, you're definitely doing that

one because there's no discussion there.

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You have to do it and you have

to try it and we can look at

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it again in a month's time.

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And maybe we can swap it

out for something else.

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So, yeah, there is still that element of.

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Uh, guidance, I suppose, and then when

they're actually on the clubs on the zoom

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calls with, uh, with the other kids and,

uh, and the facilitator that all goes

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fine, they'll sit down and do the work.

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They're on creative writing clubs

and sit there and tap away and then

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share their stories at the end of it.

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Uh, which I don't think we

would get the same result if

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it was just you and I saying.

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Definitely not.

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No.

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Right.

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Write us a story and then present it to

us in the lounge in 45 minutes and go.

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Scott: Well, there's something

that I would like to point out for

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the listeners too, that I think

we're just all taking for granted.

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You're, the ability to learn later,

like your own, as you're, as an adult,

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you're still going to be learning things.

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So there's something about that

self directed, that, that's

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a skill by it, by itself.

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But the thing that's on my mind as

you guys are talking is I'm just

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imagining you're traveling the world.

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You're having Multiple meals

with your kids during the day.

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Maybe sometimes you, you break up

and, and you're not, and you think

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about how many kids these days are

either in single family households,

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or even if both, there's a mom and

dad there, the, the hours you have

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to put into like the rat race, right?

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Or maybe you're both working and now

you're just kind of saying, okay, you're,

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your child's now gonna spend most of

their waking hours with other people.

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You can't, you can learn

a subject later on.

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You can go self teach, whatever

it is, later on, almost anything.

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You can't as easily go back and try to

build a relationship with your, with your

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kids and set an example of how parents

can work together through difficult times.

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Because I'm sure like, it's

not all like, you know, flowers

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and candy and whatever else.

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Like there's, there's, there's

tough times in there and they see

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mom and dad working through that.

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That's a huge, huge

thing to teach your kids.

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Yeah.

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And you can't easily go

back and learn that later.

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So that's what's on my mind as

we're having this discussion, is we

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can get into the, these technical

things on, is it Montessori?

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Is it Udemy?

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Is it whatever?

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But I mean, think about what the

kids are getting when you, I mean,

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to me, this is the heart of, of the

self custody of education, right?

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You are, you're, you're teaching so

much more in terms of life skills

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there and values that is just.

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You can't even put a price tag

on, on, on, on some of those.

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Prince: I mean, we sit down to eat.

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together pretty much every, well, at least

twice a day, sit down around a table.

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And you can imagine some of the

conversations there, but you know,

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they're proper discussions sometimes

around Bitcoin, not always, but they're

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proper discussions and with their points

of views and whether we think this is

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right to have this point of view or not.

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And, um, I think that again goes back

to their, you know, it gets discussed

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whether it's right or wrong, the

conversation, but, uh, it's, um, it's,

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I suppose like a mini debate sometimes,

but, uh, I think it's a skill as well.

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Yeah.

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And then with, with, to your point

as well, Scott, when we were doing

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the long term traveling with them.

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Uh, yeah, they were part of it.

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They were part, whether they realized it

or not, they were part of every decision.

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They were part of every up and part

of every down and they experienced.

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All of the good stuff and all of

the bad stuff together as a unit.

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Like when we were in Thailand and

Samuel split his head open, like

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they saw exactly like mom and dad

go straight into panic mode, alert

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mode, get this shit sorted out mode.

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And that was a learning

experience, all of it.

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And all of the emotions that came

with that and the sadness and

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then the relief that he was okay.

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And it was just some stitches and

he was back again in an hour or two.

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Um, you know, all look just

those kinds of situations.

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Huge amounts of learning

is going on there.

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Scott: Mm hmm.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I love it.

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Tali: That was my favorite part

of homeschooling was the fact that

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our kids know each other very well

They know each other's friends.

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They know each other's teachers And what

like you said when we come to the table

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and They're debating certain points

of view or whatever it, they're still

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together and they can disagree, you know,

when, as they get older, because our, our

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girls are a little bit older than yours.

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Um, when they disagree, they

really disagree, but we're still.

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Able to talk about it and we can

always go back to the reference of

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remember that time when this teacher

did this and that kind of stuff I

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want to throw a question at you guys.

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I don't know if you've noticed this.

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I'm sure you have, but

I'm going to throw it out.

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So going back to what you said

before about when you decided to do

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Um, homeschooling and your family

out of their concern and love were

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afraid that, um, you were going to

ruin your kids because we had that.

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We had that on both sides.

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And what I am noticing now

with our kids being older.

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And they're going outside, obviously,

our family circle, our two boys are

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working, our girls are at school.

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What they're noticing now is that the

way they think is so, so different

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from their peers, that it's very,

very difficult for them to connect

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with peers that are the same age.

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Because they're still, right now,

scrolling on Instagram and talking about

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stuff that are somewhat unimportant.

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, they're stuck in the pop

culture, whereas our kids would.

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Look beyond that just be just because

of the type of conversation that we have

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our home So in that way they have been

frustrated that they they are having

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trouble Connecting with the general

peers outside the homeschooling circle.

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Are you guys noticing the same

thing for you guys for your kids?

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Prince: Yeah, well, we were

in another city the other day

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and, well, a few months ago.

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: 00:24:57

a busload of school kids obviously on a

on an excursion or going out for the day.

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Which, uh, the kids obviously in the

bus were looking at our kids that were

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just free out and about in the city.

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And they're all like pulling funny faces

out the bus window and, you know, sticking

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the middle finger up and things like

that, our kids and things, because they

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think that they're cool and, and, um.

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And then our kids turned around

to each other and went, kids that

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go to school are just so weird.

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Scott: Yeah.

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Can I, can I add this?

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I just, um, I, there's so many

questions I have for you guys.

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You clear, you mentioned Bitcoin

earlier and I'm curious, so I'm

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: 00:25:44

assuming you're a Bitcoiner.

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: 00:25:45

Is that, is that true?

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Are

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Prince: Yeah, I had the same belief, not

nearly as deep in as Dan, but yes, I agree

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with the concept and the ideas behind it.

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: 00:25:57

Scott: Okay.

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So, so Daniel was first and

then you, you were, brought

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along into the, the rabbit hole.

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So, and then how about the kids are

the, were the kids on the spectrum?

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Because I, where I'm going with that

is, , I hear Talia and I are, we're, we're

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throwing our heart and souls into this.

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: 00:26:12

We, we believe in this, strongly

believe in this, and, and that's a

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: 00:26:17

whole other, I mean, this is where

Big Winter spent hours, right?

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But our kids look at us and they say,

okay, dad, why do you have laser eyes?

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: 00:26:24

You know, you're, you're going to your

little cult and you know, they, and they,

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: 00:26:27

they make all the comparisons, right?

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You're, I mean, just so many comparisons.

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So I'm curious from, from a schooling

standpoint, but also from a Bitcoin

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standpoint, where, where are you

guys as a family and how are you

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guys handling the subject of money?

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And freedom and the, the things Daniel,

that you would talk for hours on your

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: 00:26:45

podcast about how do you, how do you

handle those in the, in the house?

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: 00:26:50

Prince: Well, it gets

talked about all the time.

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So, um, they, they

certainly know about it.

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Um, because, because, because

Bitcoin fixes everything.

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: 00:26:59

Yeah.

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: 00:27:00

That, that, that sentence comes up a lot.

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: 00:27:03

Lots of debates about that in the kitchen.

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: 00:27:05

Chicken in the fridge.

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: 00:27:06

Oh, Bitcoin fixes this.

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: 00:27:09

Um, but, um, yeah, uh,

all of them understand.

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: 00:27:18

Again, the concept of it, how it works,

we don't know how deeply, they don't

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: 00:27:22

know the technicalities of it, but they

understand deeply and much more than

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: 00:27:30

probably another kid, even our 18 year

olds age, they understand inflation and

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: 00:27:37

why the world is in such a state now.

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: 00:27:40

They understand it's not

just because the pandemic.

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: 00:27:44

Um, and, um, they, they understand

that it's printing money that, uh, or

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: 00:27:50

fiat money, uh, uh, they've read a few

books that are more to their level.

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: 00:27:58

Played Hoddle Up.

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: 00:27:59

Played Hoddle

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: 00:28:01

Scott: Oh, nice.

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: 00:28:02

Nice.

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: 00:28:02

Yeah, that's

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: 00:28:03

right.

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: 00:28:03

I forgot about

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: 00:28:04

Prince: read that.

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: 00:28:05

Yeah.

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: 00:28:06

Um, uh, our older daughter, she went to

school, um, and has much more of, um.

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: 00:28:17

I'd say probably different views

to the rest of us a bit more

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: 00:28:22

so she has more of a outsidely.

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: 00:28:26

Well, yeah, she's but she still

understands Bitcoin and still

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: 00:28:30

comes back to it quite often

talks to her friends about it.

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: 00:28:35

It's interesting to see how they're going.

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: 00:28:38

They're going to be pulled

in different directions.

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: 00:28:40

And this is, as we know, what

Bitcoin does to you, right?

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: 00:28:43

It's going to find that thing within

you that resonates with you the most.

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: 00:28:48

And then you're going to apply your

time and effort to that specific.

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: 00:28:51

So for you guys, it's

Bitcoin and homeschooling.

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: 00:28:53

You know, I absolutely 100

percent agree with you.

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If you separate education

from state, you will separate.

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Money from state and vice versa.

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: 00:29:01

And as you said, Scott, Bitcoin is a

homeschoolers that just don't know it yet.

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: 00:29:04

And homeschoolers are Bitcoiners

that just don't know it.

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: 00:29:06

That's, that's just 100 percent true.

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: 00:29:09

But what's going to bring them in?

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: 00:29:10

You know, what will it be?

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: 00:29:11

And what will it be for our kids?

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: 00:29:13

And having the kids with us at, uh, at

some of the conferences, getting them

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: 00:29:17

exposed to The, the talks, the panels,

the, um, the booths, the work that's been

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: 00:29:25

going on, Caitlin currently, she's 18.

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: 00:29:29

She's just had a chat with Alex Gladstein

and CK from Human Rights Foundation.

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: 00:29:34

So she's looking into the, can I

do some kind of internship because

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: 00:29:39

it's international relations.

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: 00:29:41

That's pulling her into this thing.

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: 00:29:43

So right, where, where can, who

in my network do I need to put in

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: 00:29:47

the way of you on your journey?

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: 00:29:49

And, and Sophia, she met Rachel

actually in Germany, uh, just four or

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: 00:29:54

five weeks ago at, um, at an event.

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: 00:29:57

And, uh, Rachel's put him on this

event in January and Rachel invited

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: 00:30:01

Sophia to come and speak on a panel

about what's it like to be a teenage.

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: 00:30:07

Surrounded by Bitcoin.

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: 00:30:08

Surrounded by Bitcoin stuff.

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: 00:30:10

How's it shaping your mind?

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: 00:30:12

So, goodness knows where she's

going to get pulled into.

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: 00:30:16

Claire's going to start

resonating with um, you know,

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: 00:30:19

is it the human rights aspect?

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: 00:30:21

Is it getting more For me,

that's what interests me more.

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: 00:30:24

The humanitarian side of it all.

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: 00:30:27

But then someone like My son,

he just loves the gaming.

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: 00:30:30

He's like, what?

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: 00:30:31

You can win sats playing

Pac Man and stuff?

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: 00:30:33

Okay, let's get into that.

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: 00:30:34

Lauren does the show with me.

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: 00:30:36

So she's interviewed, goodness

knows how many people.

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: 00:30:38

She just likes talking to people.

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: 00:30:40

Yeah, she loves the conversation of it.

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: 00:30:42

And just like sits there and

gets truth bombed every episode.

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: 00:30:45

She's like, oh.

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: 00:30:47

So one day, I guarantee you one day

she'll be 15 or 16 and she'll just

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: 00:30:50

start coming out with all of this stuff.

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: 00:30:52

But where's it going to take her?

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: 00:30:54

You know, it's going

to be amazing to watch.

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: 00:30:57

Scott: Well, I mean, good for you guys.

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: 00:30:58

I mean, this is something

that's on our mind too.

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: 00:31:00

We've cleared it so, you know, so Tali

and I earlier this year went to a couple

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: 00:31:03

of homeschooling conferences and tried to

pitch Bitcoin to homeschoolers and it was

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: 00:31:09

an uphill to say it nicely and uphill.

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: 00:31:13

Time, like it was, it was, it was

a very frustrating experience.

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: 00:31:16

So I think we'll get there eventually.

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: 00:31:19

And, and it's, and, and the reason I asked

that question is we're, we're trying to

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: 00:31:23

not only, I mean, we want our own family.

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: 00:31:26

We want our own kids to understand this

and say, look, we have this insight.

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: 00:31:30

We want to share this with you.

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: 00:31:31

You guys can, you have the benefit of,

you have the whole life in front of you.

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: 00:31:34

We're, we're learning this much later.

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: 00:31:37

And even within our own family,

we're, we're finding that it's not.

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: 00:31:41

Uh, it's not that simple and it's

certainly not one conversation.

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: 00:31:44

You know, it's not one

game, one book, one podcast.

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: 00:31:46

It's, it's this consistent thing.

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: 00:31:49

And the number of times I mentioned

low time preference or fiat money or

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: 00:31:54

something else like that, the kids just

roll their eyes and they're like, okay,

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: 00:31:56

dad, we don't need another lecture.

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: 00:31:58

But I'm thinking like these

are like understanding money,

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: 00:32:02

the, the time preference thing.

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: 00:32:04

I mean, you guys talked

about, um, was it meditation?

572

: 00:32:07

I think lowering your stress.

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: 00:32:08

You guys, you actually talked about that.

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: 00:32:10

Those are, those concepts of taking

care of your body for the long

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: 00:32:13

term and, and doing those things,

they're, they're all tied together.

576

: 00:32:17

All these concepts, like they build on

each other and it's like, well guys, this

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: 00:32:21

can really, really impact you for the

better, your success, your happiness.

578

: 00:32:25

And sometimes they just,

they're not ready to hear it.

579

: 00:32:29

At least that's my, my take on it is

like, why, why can't I get you guys to?

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: 00:32:35

See all the things that I'm seeing

and I'm trying to, I'm, I'm trying

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: 00:32:40

to be more understanding of what's

their point of view and how do

582

: 00:32:42

we reach, how do we reach them?

583

: 00:32:44

I mean, Tali's teaching me that

I, that I don't communicate well

584

: 00:32:47

with women evidently because

we speak like men on podcasts.

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: 00:32:51

I'm like, okay.

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: 00:32:52

So we had, um, so she's exploring that

and she's, she's, she's growing that, but

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: 00:32:56

that's the reason I ask is because you're,

you're teaching your kids your values.

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: 00:33:01

You're teaching them the things from.

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: 00:33:03

A normal traditional school, like a

traditional curriculum, but then there's

590

: 00:33:08

this whole suite of new things that we're

into with Bitcoin with what is money

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: 00:33:13

Austrian economics, lower time preference.

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: 00:33:15

I mean, if you want to get into

the humanitarian rights and things

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: 00:33:17

like that, I mean, there's so much

to get into there than the diet and

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: 00:33:21

what we're being told with the diet.

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: 00:33:22

Well, I want our kids to how do you teach

your kids what's right to eat and not eat?

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: 00:33:27

You want to talk about influences like

we teach our kids this and then our

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: 00:33:31

sons will go out and they'll come back

with McDonald's bags and pizza bags

598

: 00:33:35

and or boxes or whatever and we're

like, wait a minute, like, didn't

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: 00:33:39

we like, what are you doing anyway?

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: 00:33:42

Tali: I'm gonna add my two cents in here.

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: 00:33:44

I think one of the biggest rewards that

we have as homeschoolers is we teach

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: 00:33:50

kids to think critically and they're

not just being spoon fed like they're,

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: 00:33:54

sitting in rows and like cattle,

just being, being spoon fed stuff.

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: 00:33:59

And so we teach them to think critically

and we, because we're new to the

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: 00:34:03

homeschooling and that's, sorry, because

we're new to the Bitcoin space and our

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: 00:34:07

kids were brought up in the traditional

way as Daniel, you were mentioning

607

: 00:34:11

before, we only told them what we knew

and what we knew was the traditional

608

: 00:34:14

stuff like the traditional finance.

609

: 00:34:16

And, you know, you go, you get

good, get good grades, you get a

610

: 00:34:20

good education, you get a good job,

you climb the corporate ladder.

611

: 00:34:24

That's what we knew.

612

: 00:34:25

Before we enter the Bitcoin space, we

didn't question our understanding of the

613

: 00:34:29

how, how the world worked and how money

worked, because we thought we knew it.

614

: 00:34:34

The correct way.

615

: 00:34:35

That was the way we train up our kids.

616

: 00:34:37

And so suddenly we come across this

Bitcoin thing and our mind is blown.

617

: 00:34:42

But our kids didn't have that need yet.

618

: 00:34:45

You know, we found Bitcoin

out of our need for it.

619

: 00:34:48

I think everybody has to come to

Bitcoin with some type of need.

620

: 00:34:51

And it could be humanitarian.

621

: 00:34:53

It could be something else.

622

: 00:34:54

But everybody had a need and

Bitcoin became the solution.

623

: 00:34:57

And so our kids, they haven't

come across that need yet.

624

: 00:35:00

And so they see us suddenly change.

625

: 00:35:03

And Our 16 year old, his favorite,

um, retort to me or us telling

626

: 00:35:09

him about Bitcoin is, Mom,

627

: 00:35:13

Scott: well

628

: 00:35:13

Tali: mostly mom because he was

always working, Mom, you taught me

629

: 00:35:17

to not accept things that face value.

630

: 00:35:20

You taught me to question.

631

: 00:35:22

And I'm like, you're not supposed

to question me, you're supposed

632

: 00:35:24

to question other people.

633

: 00:35:26

But, but, you know, I, I feel like we have

to give them room are because they're,

634

: 00:35:32

they're really young adults and we've

brought them up to be critical thinkers.

635

: 00:35:37

And eventually they will,

their paths will lead there.

636

: 00:35:40

But if we're shoving it in their

face all the time, it's just like

637

: 00:35:43

any other family and members or

friends that we want to say, Hey,

638

: 00:35:47

you're Can I please tell you about

this incredible thing called Bitcoin?

639

: 00:35:50

They'll be like,

640

: 00:35:52

Scott: You're

641

: 00:35:52

Tali: crazy and weird.

642

: 00:35:53

You know, our kids are

looking at us the same way.

643

: 00:35:56

Prince: totally agree.

644

: 00:35:57

The critical thinking I think is

the most important thing and being

645

: 00:36:00

able to make their own decisions,

look into things themselves.

646

: 00:36:04

not take everything at face value.

647

: 00:36:07

But, um, yeah, we get, we totally

get the eye rolls all the time.

648

: 00:36:11

I like, oh, that's talking Bitcoin again.

649

: 00:36:14

But it's interesting when you

sometimes hear your children talking

650

: 00:36:19

to kids their own age that have

nothing to do with Bitcoin, and

651

: 00:36:24

then trying to explain it to them.

652

: 00:36:26

And you like why it's important

and, and all these things.

653

: 00:36:31

They're like, huh, They, they did listen.

654

: 00:36:34

They do get it.

655

: 00:36:35

And, uh, I suppose, like you

say, they have to make, they

656

: 00:36:40

have to make their own decisions.

657

: 00:36:41

And, you know, I don't know

how many times in my life, my

658

: 00:36:45

opinions and things have changed.

659

: 00:36:49

And I've completely pivoted on

some things that I thought were.

660

: 00:36:54

I was really set on, um, before, but,

um, I suppose, uh, that's one of our

661

: 00:37:00

biggest goals is to make sure they're

always learning always that, you know,

662

: 00:37:05

you don't stop learning at 18 or in the

early 20s when you finish university,

663

: 00:37:10

because we're still learning now,

but we could really, when we were

664

: 00:37:14

our kids at school could really see.

665

: 00:37:17

The love of learning disappearing, like

they just were so bored by, yeah, and I

666

: 00:37:26

would say as well, it's a classic cliche,

uh, action speak louder than words.

667

: 00:37:33

And in 18 months, when you guys are

still doing this podcast, and you've.

668

: 00:37:40

Still you're still designing games.

669

: 00:37:43

I mean the thing is you always

still you've got that game, right?

670

: 00:37:45

That's there that's out There it's

going to keep selling people are

671

: 00:37:49

going to carry on asking, you know How

to play it and whatever else you're

672

: 00:37:53

going to keep going to conferences.

673

: 00:37:55

You're not going to stop what you're

doing So in 18 months, we're the critical

674

: 00:38:00

mind these kids that you've brought

up that we've brought up and hopefully

675

: 00:38:04

other people around Around the world

that are suffering these same problems

676

: 00:38:09

18 months goes by You haven't changed,

your conviction is even stronger, your

677

: 00:38:14

message is clearer, you've sharpened

your tools with delivering the messages.

678

: 00:38:19

Scott can speak to women and you

know, it's going to be amazing.

679

: 00:38:23

Mmm.

680

: 00:38:27

Scott: Do you, um, have you talked

to your kids about university?

681

: 00:38:30

Are they considering not going?

682

: 00:38:37

Prince: No, this is where, like, giving

them free minds and things is the, uh,

683

: 00:38:44

well, our oldest is determined to go.

684

: 00:38:48

And, you know, she, she's not picking

the cheaper European universities.

685

: 00:38:54

She's trying to pick a, I mean,

it's not the U S which is picking

686

: 00:38:58

the UK, which isn't cheap.

687

: 00:39:00

Um, Sophia, um, doesn't know at

all what she wants to do, but

688

: 00:39:09

she still feels the pressure, I

suppose, because the age she is.

689

: 00:39:12

And all the other kids are looking

or working towards university.

690

: 00:39:18

So the word comes up quite a lot from her.

691

: 00:39:21

But she is much more open to learning a

vocation rather than going to university.

692

: 00:39:28

Yeah,

693

: 00:39:29

Scott: be part of the

694

: 00:39:29

this might be the unprogramming

Daniel, you're referring to because

695

: 00:39:33

Tali and I met in grad school, right?

696

: 00:39:35

And then our, both of our sons, like,

so both of our girls say, okay, we're

697

: 00:39:39

going to go to school and we're like,

yeah, we'll support you and all that.

698

: 00:39:42

But both of our boys are like,

we don't really want to do that.

699

: 00:39:46

And here, and with all the things that

we've learned over the last couple

700

: 00:39:49

of years of studying Bitcoin, like

we were like, yeah, you know, this is

701

: 00:39:55

not, we, we can't even, we can't say,

here's why you really should do this.

702

: 00:40:00

You know, you should spend a lot of money

to go be indoctrinated and do whatever.

703

: 00:40:05

And, and now it's kind of like

unprogrammed in our part and.

704

: 00:40:09

Now we're back to our families because

now we're, you know, we're 20 some years

705

: 00:40:12

into this thing and we're like, what

are your, what are your kids doing?

706

: 00:40:15

Well, the, the boys have

decided to drop out.

707

: 00:40:17

And they're looking at our families

are looking at us like, well,

708

: 00:40:20

what are you gonna do about that?

709

: 00:40:21

Like, well, we, we support

them a hundred percent.

710

: 00:40:25

Um, It's been, it's been a, it's a, it's

kind of our, one of our current learnings

711

: 00:40:29

that Tali and I are going through is,

is how to have this conversation with

712

: 00:40:34

what do you think of formal university

schooling after all that we've

713

: 00:40:39

learned through the Bitcoin and what's

going on with, with fiat education.

714

: 00:40:43

So that's the reason I asked, um, looked

like I may have hit a sore spot for you.

715

: 00:40:46

I was like, Oh,

716

: 00:40:47

Prince: Yeah.

717

: 00:40:48

No.

718

: 00:40:49

Well, for me it is, because I, I, I

don't want them to, to, to go and be

719

: 00:40:55

indoctrinated and be forced into debt.

720

: 00:40:57

It makes no sense.

721

: 00:40:59

Yeah.

722

: 00:40:59

For me it's the unnecessary debt.

723

: 00:41:01

I don't, I don't know.

724

: 00:41:03

I think they're open minded enough

to, to see for themselves when

725

: 00:41:10

they're being indoctrinated hopefully.

726

: 00:41:12

But it's.

727

: 00:41:13

It's the unnecessary debt.

728

: 00:41:15

And I just hope, it's that, it's

that framing as well, Scott, you

729

: 00:41:18

know, that that is a sign of that,

that word, that term dropout.

730

: 00:41:23

Dropped out.

731

: 00:41:24

It should be opted out.

732

: 00:41:26

No, they are opting out of that because

it is a choice and is empowering.

733

: 00:41:32

But somehow it's been turned upside

down to make you look weak and an

734

: 00:41:36

undesirable human being because

you dropped out of college or you

735

: 00:41:39

dropped out of school or whatever.

736

: 00:41:41

So what we try and, uh, well, I, I

certainly hope many people around the

737

: 00:41:46

world understand you have a choice.

738

: 00:41:47

You can't opt out and that just

reframing that language empowers you.

739

: 00:41:53

And, um, I hope that Caitlin, it looks

as though she, she will go to college.

740

: 00:41:59

But if she gets the opportunity to intern

at incredible organizations before she

741

: 00:42:05

goes and being surrounded by incredible,

inspiring people, then when they get

742

: 00:42:11

there, like you've experienced, uh, and

other homeschoolers have experienced,

743

: 00:42:16

they get there and they look around at

their classmates and they're like, Really?

744

: 00:42:22

We're talking about the

current thing all the time?

745

: 00:42:26

Tali: That's it.

746

: 00:42:26

That's exactly what our

girls are telling us.

747

: 00:42:29

And, um, it's kind of like that,

uh, you know, I don't know what

748

: 00:42:32

your faith background is, but a

lot of Christian parents are very,

749

: 00:42:35

very afraid of letting their kids

go out and be ruined by the world.

750

: 00:42:41

And we, I actually told the kids when

they were in high school, when you

751

: 00:42:45

graduate, you're going overseas because

you need to see how big the world is.

752

: 00:42:49

Scott: And

753

: 00:42:50

Tali: My, my peers, my, the moms

were like, Oh my God, what are

754

: 00:42:54

they going to be exposed to?

755

: 00:42:55

I'm like, whatever it is, they

have to choose their own belief.

756

: 00:42:59

They grew up under our belief

system, but they need to choose.

757

: 00:43:02

And so the, my, our kids went out

and came back with stronger faith

758

: 00:43:07

because they didn't like what they saw.

759

: 00:43:09

And the same thing is happening at the

universities that our girls are attending.

760

: 00:43:12

And actually all four of our

kids went to school and to.

761

: 00:43:15

Opt it out afterwards.

762

: 00:43:17

But now they know where they stand.

763

: 00:43:19

So it's okay.

764

: 00:43:20

Even if like your girls, if they go to

college and they look around and go,

765

: 00:43:25

this is it, this is all there is to it.

766

: 00:43:27

And then opt out.

767

: 00:43:28

Now their conviction is even stronger.

768

: 00:43:30

So I actually I'm in favor of letting

them go out there and make their mistakes.

769

: 00:43:35

Prince: Yeah, me too.

770

: 00:43:36

I

771

: 00:43:36

Tali: Yeah.

772

: 00:43:37

Prince: think it's how you

learn as well, yourself.

773

: 00:43:40

If they get there and think,

right, this isn't for me, that's

774

: 00:43:42

for them to have made that choice.

775

: 00:43:44

But um, and our oldest at

the moment she's in Thailand.

776

: 00:43:48

Yeah.

777

: 00:43:48

Traveling with her friends.

778

: 00:43:49

There's three of them.

779

: 00:43:50

They've gone out there, they've

been gone for a month already.

780

: 00:43:52

And then they'll be gone

at least until March.

781

: 00:43:55

Uh, in, in Thailand and Southeast Asia.

782

: 00:43:58

Going out and seeing the

world and making mistakes.

783

: 00:44:00

We've already missed one flight.

784

: 00:44:02

We already missed a flight.

785

: 00:44:03

Already made a reservation

for the wrong like day.

786

: 00:44:07

Yeah.

787

: 00:44:07

Already over time zone.

788

: 00:44:08

Already screwed the time zone

up and overpaid for an Airbnb.

789

: 00:44:11

Yes.

790

: 00:44:12

Scott: If that's how you

learn though, you're right.

791

: 00:44:13

I mean now You you know sitting down

and telling someone how time zones

792

: 00:44:17

work is not the same as actually

messing up And and having to pay

793

: 00:44:22

Um, with the frustration, the

794

: 00:44:23

Prince: Having to pay twice

795

: 00:44:24

Scott: pay twice.

796

: 00:44:25

I mean, that's, that's

a real education there.

797

: 00:44:28

Um, missing a

798

: 00:44:29

Prince: when money, when money's tight

799

: 00:44:32

Scott: yeah.

800

: 00:44:34

So, um, so one of the things that was

on my mind, um, going back a little

801

: 00:44:38

bit to the, the people who are just

starting thinking of like some of the

802

: 00:44:42

folks who'd be listening to this, the,

they might look at that and they say,

803

: 00:44:45

okay, well, the world changed though,

because you guys started world schooling.

804

: 00:44:49

Before COVID

805

: 00:44:51

Prince: hmm.

806

: 00:44:51

Mm hmm.

807

: 00:44:52

Scott: in some countries like

Germany, you can't homeschool, right?

808

: 00:44:56

It's not even an option in the U

S the, the impact of COVID really

809

: 00:45:02

opened a lot of eyes for parents

and it actually helped fuel.

810

: 00:45:06

The homeschooling movement, and there were

a lot of people brought in because they're

811

: 00:45:10

like, what, like they, they realized

like it was, they weren't getting what

812

: 00:45:13

they, they thought they were getting,

uh, or they were getting extra things

813

: 00:45:17

that they didn't want, uh, in there.

814

: 00:45:19

So things, for example, that might change

for, um, uh, a young family would be,

815

: 00:45:24

you guys did a lot of home swapping.

816

: 00:45:26

There are a lot of young couples now that

might be forced to rent just because the,

817

: 00:45:32

where we are in the, in the fiat cycle.

818

: 00:45:35

So what I'm saying with that is some

things have changed and I'm just

819

: 00:45:38

curious, like if you're, for the people

listening now, if you were sitting down

820

: 00:45:42

with one of those young couples, what

would have, what would you say to them?

821

: 00:45:46

Would anything change from what you,

what you captured in your, in your book?

822

: 00:45:50

Because I know you guys put a

lot of thought into that, but the

823

: 00:45:53

world's changed quite a bit in

the last five, seven years, right?

824

: 00:45:57

So I just want to just ask you

to reflect a little bit on that.

825

: 00:46:00

Is there anything that

you would, um, You say

826

: 00:46:03

Prince: Well, when we were, when we were

traveling, we did decide at one stage

827

: 00:46:08

to stop in France because we wanted our

children to learn a second language.

828

: 00:46:13

So they did go to school for a little

while to, to, to use the language and

829

: 00:46:17

during COVID we decided to take them

out of school, which, like you said,

830

: 00:46:22

so many people decided to take the

children out of school in France too.

831

: 00:46:27

They saw, um, the state education wasn't

quite what they wanted anymore, but

832

: 00:46:33

since then France has changed the laws.

833

: 00:46:36

Uh, well, interestingly enough, late

: 2020

834

: 00:46:43

uh, they decided to change the

homeschooling laws, so it's, it's

835

: 00:46:46

really hard to homeschool in France now.

836

: 00:46:50

And I'm seeing so, so many European

countries, especially Western

837

: 00:46:55

European countries, are, um,

making it harder for the parents.

838

: 00:47:00

The, the hoops you have to jump

through makes it really, really hard.

839

: 00:47:04

The paperwork.

840

: 00:47:05

the assessments for the children.

841

: 00:47:10

And for example, in France, when you

homeschool, you have to teach the state

842

: 00:47:16

education to your children, which for me,

that's not the point of homeschooling.

843

: 00:47:21

So, um, so if For me, it's a lot easier

to drop my children at school at eight

844

: 00:47:28

o'clock in the morning and pick them up

at four o'clock in the afternoon than

845

: 00:47:31

to have them at home if I was going to

have them learn the state education.

846

: 00:47:36

So why would I teach them

that at home all day?

847

: 00:47:40

Um, so, uh, yeah, it, I, it, it's,

it's much more difficult, I'd say now

848

: 00:47:48

you've really got to, and, um, yeah,

as, as a parent, I'd say that to another

849

: 00:47:57

homeschooling parent is that I constantly

have doubts in what I'm doing all the time

850

: 00:48:05

and reassess things and I, but I think

I would do that if they were at school.

851

: 00:48:10

You know, if, if they're at

school, I'd always be thinking,

852

: 00:48:12

am I doing the right thing?

853

: 00:48:13

Are they in the right school?

854

: 00:48:14

Is everything working, but we always

doing that, uh, the kids is this working.

855

: 00:48:20

And, you know, I suppose it's about

being adaptable to everything and the

856

: 00:48:24

children, because they're also different.

857

: 00:48:26

And

858

: 00:48:28

Scott: these the fight you stage is

scary with the you know I did I did

859

: 00:48:32

not realize that the to the extent

that you're describing Like how

860

: 00:48:36

much the the they're going that way.

861

: 00:48:38

Sorry, Daniel.

862

: 00:48:38

I didn't

863

: 00:48:39

Prince: there's a lot of regular,

lot of regulatory creep, um, across

864

: 00:48:43

all of, uh, of all of Europe, uh,

especially in, um, even the UK that,

865

: 00:48:47

you know, it's, it's getting tighter.

866

: 00:48:48

Yeah.

867

: 00:48:49

It's probably one of the

freer places in Europe.

868

: 00:48:52

So we were talking to the founder of a

Sudbury Valley school in, in Southeast.

869

: 00:48:57

England in Kent, and she was explaining

how the regulatory creep is creeping

870

: 00:49:02

up on them to the point where now they

can only accept in quote students to

871

: 00:49:07

come to the, and Sudbury Valley is a

democratic style, uh, school styled after

872

: 00:49:12

the Sudbury Valley School in, in the us.

873

: 00:49:14

Uh, and uh, she said, yeah, we can

only have students come in between

874

: 00:49:18

Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

875

: 00:49:20

Uh, between 9.

876

: 00:49:20

30 and 3.

877

: 00:49:22

30, because if we have any more minutes

than that, then we are operating as a

878

: 00:49:27

school, in air quotes, and we come up

under a completely different regulation.

879

: 00:49:32

More of an association, I suppose.

880

: 00:49:33

Yeah, so when you look at Montessori

schools, or Waldorf Steiner schools, or

881

: 00:49:37

any of these other kind of alternative,

again in air quotes, schools, Uh,

882

: 00:49:41

if they're working five days a week,

they're just a quasi state school

883

: 00:49:45

with a kind of They are in France.

884

: 00:49:47

Yeah.

885

: 00:49:47

In fact, anything else just

recently closed down, I didn't

886

: 00:49:51

realize, but one by one.

887

: 00:49:52

Mm hmm.

888

: 00:49:53

And I think it's because they're not

doing the state So they used to be kind of

889

: 00:49:56

like forest schools and things here, but

they've just been regulated out of town.

890

: 00:50:00

Scott: wow.

891

: 00:50:01

Prince: if you are, if you're welcoming

kids into, um, an institution five

892

: 00:50:05

days a week, then therefore you need

to have, it's like banking, you know,

893

: 00:50:09

you can only bank if you've got a

license from the federal reserve or

894

: 00:50:12

from the bank of England or whatever,

you can only school if you've got a

895

: 00:50:16

license from the ministry of education.

896

: 00:50:19

And if you have that license, then there

are certain things that you need to.

897

: 00:50:23

Uh, adhere to and certain requirements

and regulations and so if you really

898

: 00:50:29

want to be a democratic school, you're

like, no, we're not doing any of that.

899

: 00:50:32

This is the whole point of this school.

900

: 00:50:35

Then they start crimping the amount of

time you can actually offer to the kids.

901

: 00:50:38

So this is going on

902

: 00:50:39

Scott: Wow.

903

: 00:50:40

So other countries that are going

the other way other countries

904

: 00:50:43

that are Kind of a bastion for

905

: 00:50:46

Prince: up.

906

: 00:50:46

None I've seen.

907

: 00:50:47

I think Eastern Europe might be easier.

908

: 00:50:51

I don't know for sure.

909

: 00:50:52

I know there's a lot of them.

910

: 00:50:54

Homeschoolers more in, um,

Czech Republic and, um, maybe

911

: 00:50:59

Bulgaria and places like that.

912

: 00:51:01

But yeah, those countries, I

suppose, where they, yeah, they.

913

: 00:51:05

Uh, I, I'm not sure it's a hundred

percent, but I think it's pretty much.

914

: 00:51:10

You can fly under the

radar in those countries.

915

: 00:51:12

But it's prohibited in places like

Sweden or Scandinavia, Netherlands,

916

: 00:51:18

Germany, Very difficult in

France, very difficult in Spain,

917

: 00:51:22

Scott: So maybe if you, someone wanted to

world school today, maybe they should be

918

: 00:51:25

looking at Asia or some somewhere else.

919

: 00:51:29

Prince: Well in Asia,

920

: 00:51:30

Tali: I interviewed a homeschooler in

a Bitcoin homeschooler in Portugal,

921

: 00:51:36

and she said that she pulled her

oldest one out during COVID, and she

922

: 00:51:41

had a lot of trouble with paperwork.

923

: 00:51:42

But then second one, because he never

went into the system, there's no problem.

924

: 00:51:47

So if you move to Portugal, and you

don't enter the system at all, it's

925

: 00:51:51

actually quite easy, as far as I

926

: 00:51:54

Prince: Yeah, you gotta be,

you gotta be flying very low.

927

: 00:51:57

It's about not being a

resident in some countries.

928

: 00:52:00

Like for, France is different.

929

: 00:52:02

If you're, even if you're not a resident.

930

: 00:52:06

They say you have right to free

education, so you should be at school.

931

: 00:52:11

Um, but places like Portugal and

Spain, I think if you've not,

932

: 00:52:16

Scott: hmm.

933

: 00:52:17

Mm

934

: 00:52:18

Prince: registered.

935

: 00:52:19

Well, it's getting into health

systems and things like that as well.

936

: 00:52:21

You know, like as soon as you're in

that, that flags another bureau and

937

: 00:52:25

that flags this and that flags that.

938

: 00:52:26

That's where they make it difficult.

939

: 00:52:29

If you look, you know,

Europe's quite socialist.

940

: 00:52:32

If you wanted any child benefits or

anything like that, you don't get it if

941

: 00:52:35

you don't send your children to school.

942

: 00:52:37

Um, things like that.

943

: 00:52:39

But to go back to your, your original

question, Scott, about, um, if

944

: 00:52:43

people are thinking about doing world

schooling, what's changed and whatever,

945

: 00:52:46

uh, I would say, yeah, I mean, by

and large, it's still the same.

946

: 00:52:51

In fact, I would say it could even

be easier in finding accommodation

947

: 00:52:57

now because things such as.

948

: 00:52:59

Couch surfing and I mean, Airbnb

has bloomed in the 10 years

949

: 00:53:03

since we've been doing it.

950

: 00:53:05

We use home exchange and yeah, if

you do not have your own property

951

: 00:53:08

to exchange, then of course,

that's a problem, but people do

952

: 00:53:11

exchange their rented apartments.

953

: 00:53:13

That's permission from them.

954

: 00:53:16

Yeah, it's up to them to.

955

: 00:53:17

Yeah.

956

: 00:53:18

And I suppose it's no different

to family sitting is a big, big

957

: 00:53:23

thing looking after people's pets

and pet sitting, house sitting.

958

: 00:53:27

Uh, working on farms and that there's

ways you can do it, uh, Woofing, that's

959

: 00:53:32

called, or there's HelpX as well.

960

: 00:53:34

Uh, there are ways that you can

do it as a family, no doubt.

961

: 00:53:38

Uh, there's probably less available, uh,

cheap airlines around the world these

962

: 00:53:44

days because they've been squeezed.

963

: 00:53:46

So maybe that price has gone up a little

bit, but, uh, I would say it'd still

964

: 00:53:50

be cheaper than most people would ever.

965

: 00:53:54

They don't believe you when you

tell them traveling long term is a

966

: 00:53:58

cheaper way to live than just sitting

steady and still in one place.

967

: 00:54:02

Uh, and any world schooler

will tell you that.

968

: 00:54:05

It does sound very privileged, doesn't it?

969

: 00:54:06

Yeah, it does.

970

: 00:54:08

But, you know, once you, once you go

and you start moving and you start

971

: 00:54:11

figuring things out and, uh, falling

into, uh, your rhythm, um, you, you

972

: 00:54:16

learn all the hacks and the tricks and

the tools and what works best for you.

973

: 00:54:20

Uh, it's still very doable and, uh,

honestly, I think if somebody was thinking

974

: 00:54:26

about doing it, do a six weeker or

something, you know, just, just try six

975

: 00:54:30

weeks somewhere, try and get a home swap

set up or a couple of home swaps set up

976

: 00:54:35

or a house sit, whatever it is, and just

go for it and see what it's like and then

977

: 00:54:40

come back and like, well, did that work?

978

: 00:54:42

Did we enjoy it?

979

: 00:54:44

We're all still breathing, right?

980

: 00:54:46

And can we do this for

six months next time?

981

: 00:54:49

Because the, the upside is so huge

and When you were asking us, you know,

982

: 00:54:56

again, about what were family and friends

thinking on your original decision, and

983

: 00:55:02

it feels to me as though still to this

day, we're judged on the original decision

984

: 00:55:06

rather than the results and the kids,

which are unquestionable when you sit down

985

: 00:55:10

and actually talk to them and see them and

just wonder at the different Thank you.

986

: 00:55:17

experiences that they've had,

now they're bilingual, like that

987

: 00:55:22

wouldn't have happened if they'd

sat in a classroom for, you know,

988

: 00:55:24

goodness knows how many times a day.

989

: 00:55:26

When our kids arrived in France, they

started learning Spanish at school at the

990

: 00:55:30

same time as they were learning French,

which they hadn't, um, learned before.

991

: 00:55:36

So, um, and our daughter said to us the

other day, she's been learning Spanish

992

: 00:55:41

for six years and French for six years,

but she's completely bilingual in French.

993

: 00:55:46

And she learned Spanish at school

through a classroom and she's

994

: 00:55:50

like, I can't speak Spanish.

995

: 00:55:52

I've learned it for seven years,

but, um, yeah, so it just shows you

996

: 00:55:57

the difference between immersion.

997

: 00:55:59

And classroom learning.

998

: 00:56:01

Scott: Yeah.

999

: 00:56:01

A hundred percent.

: 1000

00:56:02,544 --> 00:56:03,514

That's a great example.

: 1001

00:56:03,834 --> 00:56:04,084

Yeah.

: 1002

00:56:04,084 --> 00:56:07,844

I know everything you're saying by

both of you that it's worth it, right?

: 1003

00:56:07,844 --> 00:56:12,574

There's, there's a lot of, this is going

to take some work and, but it's worth it.

: 1004

00:56:13,044 --> 00:56:17,274

The relationship with your kids, what the

experiences that they're going to develop

: 1005

00:56:17,294 --> 00:56:21,524

their frameworks for life, the experiences

that are just going to help shape them,

: 1006

00:56:21,534 --> 00:56:26,034

that it's, it's worth it fighting the

bureaucracy and the paperwork and.

: 1007

00:56:26,644 --> 00:56:28,804

Um, whatever else that you

have to, you have to deal

: 1008

00:56:28,879 --> 00:56:29,209

Prince: Yep.

: 1009

00:56:29,309 --> 00:56:30,519

It's exactly what you said earlier.

: 1010

00:56:30,739 --> 00:56:33,439

You've got this one

limited time with them.

: 1011

00:56:33,709 --> 00:56:38,219

They're only young for so long,

and then they'll have their own

: 1012

00:56:38,779 --> 00:56:40,379

lives and their own projects.

: 1013

00:56:40,409 --> 00:56:43,719

And, and obviously

they'll go and come back.

: 1014

00:56:43,729 --> 00:56:48,564

Well, they're still family, but

Um, it's, it's such a limited

: 1015

00:56:48,564 --> 00:56:50,014

time, there's only this one time

: 1016

00:56:52,344 --> 00:56:52,634

Scott: right,

: 1017

00:56:52,844 --> 00:56:53,324

Prince: it work.

: 1018

00:56:54,164 --> 00:56:58,334

Tali: I just have one quick one more

question, which is for your older kids.

: 1019

00:56:58,374 --> 00:57:01,524

Do they talk about whether or not

they're also looking to homeschool?

: 1020

00:57:02,739 --> 00:57:04,059

When they have their own children.

: 1021

00:57:05,355 --> 00:57:06,425

Prince: Yeah, good question.

: 1022

00:57:07,115 --> 00:57:08,755

Uh, I don't know.

: 1023

00:57:08,845 --> 00:57:09,945

No, I don't know.

: 1024

00:57:09,945 --> 00:57:12,245

I don't know what they would do.

: 1025

00:57:14,375 --> 00:57:14,745

Yeah, I don't know.

: 1026

00:57:15,295 --> 00:57:15,815

I don't know.

: 1027

00:57:16,145 --> 00:57:19,475

Um, thankfully, not had that one yet.

: 1028

00:57:19,635 --> 00:57:21,095

Uh, maybe that one's coming.

: 1029

00:57:21,095 --> 00:57:24,065

Harold, have they spoken

to you about that?

: 1030

00:57:24,619 --> 00:57:27,479

Tali: Yes, uh, we actually

have talked a lot about that.

: 1031

00:57:27,479 --> 00:57:32,059

We have a 20 year old son who is

engaged to another homeschooler.

: 1032

00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:34,709

They kind of grew up together

in the homeschooling program.

: 1033

00:57:34,759 --> 00:57:37,099

And both of them are already talking.

: 1034

00:57:37,234 --> 00:57:40,544

extensively about how they want

to raise their children and

: 1035

00:57:40,664 --> 00:57:41,884

definitely want to homeschool.

: 1036

00:57:42,124 --> 00:57:45,274

But her mom's approach to homeschooling

was so different from mine.

: 1037

00:57:45,294 --> 00:57:48,424

And so he said that they want to

take a little bit from her side and a

: 1038

00:57:48,424 --> 00:57:50,584

little bit from his side, combine them.

: 1039

00:57:50,584 --> 00:57:54,094

So he, uh, so Nolan has

talked extensively about that.

: 1040

00:57:54,104 --> 00:57:56,724

My girls have said, well,

actually, Brianna has said that

: 1041

00:57:56,824 --> 00:57:58,504

she definitely wants to homeschool.

: 1042

00:57:58,504 --> 00:57:59,854

And Alaya says she's not sure.

: 1043

00:57:59,854 --> 00:58:01,784

It depends on her circumstance.

: 1044

00:58:02,389 --> 00:58:05,239

And Caden's 16, so he's

not thinking that far yet.

: 1045

00:58:07,110 --> 00:58:08,850

Prince: Oh, that's,

that's, that's interesting.

: 1046

00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,150

And, and congrats, uh, on the look.

: 1047

00:58:12,210 --> 00:58:13,950

I hope, I'm sure you're

looking forward to the big day.

: 1048

00:58:14,439 --> 00:58:14,999

Scott: It's going to be,

: 1049

00:58:15,379 --> 00:58:18,999

Tali: It's a little strange, you know, I

wasn't expecting it to happen this soon.

: 1050

00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:20,350

Prince: Yeah.

: 1051

00:58:20,729 --> 00:58:22,199

Tali: He's a little on the young side.

: 1052

00:58:22,404 --> 00:58:24,674

Scott: He's young, but he

thinks he thinks longterm.

: 1053

00:58:25,194 --> 00:58:29,834

So I, I wasn't mature enough at 20

to make a life decision like that.

: 1054

00:58:30,404 --> 00:58:33,514

I just wasn't ready, but

they're very, very thoughtful.

: 1055

00:58:33,794 --> 00:58:37,174

So they're very, they're, they're very

thoughtful about what they're trying

: 1056

00:58:37,174 --> 00:58:40,684

to plan for the future and good autumn.

: 1057

00:58:41,034 --> 00:58:44,024

There, just because it was a different

timing than me, I'll have to, I'll

: 1058

00:58:44,024 --> 00:58:47,334

just have to learn and I can't

force other people into my path.

: 1059

00:58:47,334 --> 00:58:51,714

So, um, but it's, yeah, you, I

think, I think as a parent, you're,

: 1060

00:58:52,364 --> 00:58:54,954

you're like learning more than

the kids are from the experience.

: 1061

00:58:55,754 --> 00:58:59,744

And I know, I feel like that for

me, it's been a personal journey

: 1062

00:58:59,744 --> 00:59:00,964

and this is just the next step.

: 1063

00:59:02,114 --> 00:59:04,242

So, Mm

: 1064

00:59:04,730 --> 00:59:08,030

Prince: if there's gonna be more and

more homeschooled kids in the next 10 to

: 1065

00:59:08,035 --> 00:59:10,280

15 years because it changes everything.

: 1066

00:59:10,285 --> 00:59:15,190

It changes the way people look,

how they, uh, look at life, how

: 1067

00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:17,710

they act, how they interact.

: 1068

00:59:18,060 --> 00:59:18,570

Um.

: 1069

00:59:18,765 --> 00:59:23,065

And one thing that I've noticed going

to the conferences that I've been going

: 1070

00:59:23,065 --> 00:59:26,515

to for the last 18 months, people come

up to me and they stop me and they

: 1071

00:59:26,515 --> 00:59:28,465

tap me on the shoulder and they're

like, listen, I just want to tell

: 1072

00:59:28,465 --> 00:59:29,825

you I love this show and everything.

: 1073

00:59:30,205 --> 00:59:33,265

We love that Lauren asks the first

question and blah, blah, blah,

: 1074

00:59:33,265 --> 00:59:34,775

that first 10 minutes is golden.

: 1075

00:59:35,245 --> 00:59:36,335

And they're like, and you know what?

: 1076

00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:43,930

I had no idea that the education system

was set up the way it was and my kids

: 1077

00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:48,250

will never go to state school because of

listening to your interviews with what you

: 1078

00:59:48,250 --> 00:59:52,250

guys have been on and whoever else I've

had on I must have like 15 or 20 different

: 1079

00:59:52,270 --> 00:59:54,450

episodes now focused purely on that.

: 1080

00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:56,570

And they're like, no, blown away.

: 1081

00:59:56,770 --> 00:59:58,340

Can't believe I ever went through that.

: 1082

00:59:58,340 --> 00:59:59,900

Can't believe I never questioned it.

: 1083

01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,610

But all I do know is when I do

get married and we do have kids,

: 1084

01:00:03,830 --> 01:00:06,180

they ain't going to state school

or I've got to find a partner.

: 1085

01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,080

Who already thinks that their kids

are never going to go to state school.

: 1086

01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,850

And I know I've probably

found the right partner.

: 1087

01:00:11,850 --> 01:00:16,490

So it's, it's great to hear that, uh,

you know, you're, you're expecting

: 1088

01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:17,740

just to talk about Bitcoin the whole

: 1089

01:00:17,759 --> 01:00:18,229

Scott: Mm hmm.

: 1090

01:00:19,550 --> 01:00:21,170

Prince: that's, that's

just a nice takeaway.

: 1091

01:00:21,419 --> 01:00:25,159

Scott: Yeah, you guys are the OGs of, of

world schooling to the, I mean, they're

: 1092

01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:27,389

like, oh man, look, they were in early.

: 1093

01:00:27,389 --> 01:00:28,309

They did it, you know, like,

: 1094

01:00:29,099 --> 01:00:29,309

Tali: Yeah.

: 1095

01:00:29,314 --> 01:00:34,589

I think now that our eyes are opened,

a lot of people have talked to us after

: 1096

01:00:34,589 --> 01:00:39,239

our, um, homeschooling panel discussions

different places and said, I, I don't

: 1097

01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:43,649

have a significant other, so I don't have

any children, but when it does happen.

: 1098

01:00:43,934 --> 01:00:47,774

They're getting homeschooled like

young people coming up to us and

: 1099

01:00:47,784 --> 01:00:49,984

they're listening to the discussions.

: 1100

01:00:50,049 --> 01:00:54,579

Scott: I think Bitcoiners are already

primed, like they're already, the

: 1101

01:00:54,579 --> 01:00:59,849

idea of proof of work, um, taking self

custody of anything, money or education,

: 1102

01:00:59,859 --> 01:01:03,869

like they're already in separation of

education and state, like they're, these,

: 1103

01:01:03,919 --> 01:01:11,419

the concept of applying that to a new

area I think is a lot faster than, than

: 1104

01:01:11,429 --> 01:01:16,889

the homeschoolers who are They, they

have a lot of the, the core, they value

: 1105

01:01:16,889 --> 01:01:19,849

freedom, they value taking care of their

kids and their education and all that.

: 1106

01:01:20,819 --> 01:01:22,999

But they're, they're like so far behind.

: 1107

01:01:23,009 --> 01:01:27,799

They're not primed to hear a

new way of doing things, right?

: 1108

01:01:27,799 --> 01:01:30,049

Our experience has been a lot

of the people who've chosen

: 1109

01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:31,429

homeschooling, they're overwhelmed.

: 1110

01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:35,249

Maybe now they're, they're trying

to get by on one, one income.

: 1111

01:01:35,419 --> 01:01:37,479

So they're probably being super frugal.

: 1112

01:01:38,209 --> 01:01:40,569

They're trying to figure out all the

curriculum that they need to have.

: 1113

01:01:41,189 --> 01:01:44,089

And then you come along or

Tali and I come along and say,

: 1114

01:01:44,739 --> 01:01:46,149

Hey, we, you should add this.

: 1115

01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:48,989

You should add money to your, your thing.

: 1116

01:01:48,989 --> 01:01:51,459

And by the way, it's

not Dave Ramsey, right?

: 1117

01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:54,519

Like, you know, it's, it's, it's

this, this whole other thing.

: 1118

01:01:54,519 --> 01:01:56,309

And you try to explain it to

them, their eyes glaze over.

: 1119

01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:58,129

So now you're scaring

them with a new topic.

: 1120

01:01:58,829 --> 01:02:00,229

They don't know how

they're going to fit it in.

: 1121

01:02:00,339 --> 01:02:02,679

And if they do fit it in now that you're

going to try to convince them that you're

: 1122

01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:04,179

the one that has trusted resources for it.

: 1123

01:02:04,189 --> 01:02:06,029

So they're like, there's like

battle, battle, battle, battle.

: 1124

01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:08,699

So they will eventually get there.

: 1125

01:02:09,174 --> 01:02:11,804

Over the next, I don't know how

many years it'll, it'll, it'll take,

: 1126

01:02:11,814 --> 01:02:16,854

but going to any Bitcoin meetup,

people are primed like they're,

: 1127

01:02:17,264 --> 01:02:18,754

their mindset is already that way.

: 1128

01:02:18,754 --> 01:02:20,584

And now they're just

applying it to their health.

: 1129

01:02:20,644 --> 01:02:22,163

They're applying it to education.

: 1130

01:02:22,163 --> 01:02:24,624

They're applying it to

just fill in the blank.

: 1131

01:02:25,254 --> 01:02:27,114

They're just applying those

principles to the next thing and

: 1132

01:02:27,134 --> 01:02:28,534

the next thing and the next thing.

: 1133

01:02:28,634 --> 01:02:29,804

And it's true with education.

: 1134

01:02:29,904 --> 01:02:32,374

So yeah, it's exciting.

: 1135

01:02:32,614 --> 01:02:34,384

This is our area where

we feel like we can help.

: 1136

01:02:34,924 --> 01:02:37,364

Give back to, like I said in

the introduction, like we're,

: 1137

01:02:37,754 --> 01:02:39,344

we're not the techies, right?

: 1138

01:02:39,344 --> 01:02:42,764

We're not gonna be able to explain

to you how the technical stuff works.

: 1139

01:02:42,824 --> 01:02:46,114

Um, but, um, you know, we're not

financially analysts or anything like

: 1140

01:02:46,174 --> 01:02:50,314

that, but I mean, this, this area we've,

we've, this is what we dedicate our lives

: 1141

01:02:50,314 --> 01:02:51,913

to do with in terms of raising the kids.

: 1142

01:02:51,913 --> 01:02:55,034

And it, it, it fits with the

mission of, and the freedom

: 1143

01:02:55,074 --> 01:02:56,734

oriented people in Bitcoin.

: 1144

01:02:56,924 --> 01:03:00,354

So, and we get to meet great

folks like, like yourselves.

: 1145

01:03:00,354 --> 01:03:03,694

Like if we hadn't done this,

we never would have taught.

: 1146

01:03:04,229 --> 01:03:07,779

I'd still be listening to my podcast

or, you know, books, whatever, seeing

: 1147

01:03:07,779 --> 01:03:10,879

the kids, maybe a couple minutes at

night if I'm lucky because I'm so

: 1148

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tired, I just want to go to bed, right?

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That would have been the alternative.

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And instead we're, we're out making

much deeper connections with people

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who value have the same kind of values

we have from all over the world.

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Tali is interviewing ladies from

like literally all over the world.

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And we're talking about going to Madeira.

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We're talking about other

things that we want to do.

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01:03:32,369 --> 01:03:33,279

We went to El Salvador.

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We never would have done that had

we not been in this community.

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So it's, it's very exciting to be part of.

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And hopefully the kids are watching

and they'll get some ideas and

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they'll say, yeah, we want to, we

want to do what mom and dad did.

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I hope

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Prince: Well, we hope

to see you in Madeira.

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We'll, we'll be there.

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01:03:51,070 --> 01:03:54,040

So if you get across, uh, it'd be

cool to, uh, to hang out with you.

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01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:56,149

Scott: Yeah, that'd be awesome.

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01:03:56,419 --> 01:03:57,139

Hey, let's do that.

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01:03:57,614 --> 01:04:00,774

Prince: For me personally, it's

the, um, it's those conversations.

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It's the meeting the people.

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01:04:02,834 --> 01:04:04,614

Um, I don't have.

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inspiring conversations day to day

with people around in our communities.

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01:04:10,504 --> 01:04:11,334

Other than you, babe.

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01:04:11,734 --> 01:04:18,174

But, um, but then, uh, when we, uh, go

to those, those, uh, those conferences or

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the meetups, just every conversation, what

people are doing or how they're doing it.

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01:04:23,874 --> 01:04:27,644

And it just, the

conversations blow me away.

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01:04:27,644 --> 01:04:30,254

And it just, it, it's inspiring.

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01:04:30,254 --> 01:04:35,229

It gives me Hope, uh, you

know, I can, I can just feel

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01:04:35,419 --> 01:04:37,649

inside me just a positiveness.

: 1177

01:04:38,324 --> 01:04:42,004

Um, from those conversations, which, you

know, don't get quite so much these days.

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01:04:42,254 --> 01:04:42,674

Right.

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01:04:42,694 --> 01:04:46,663

Scott: So, so here we've gone

through this, this, this

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awesome experience you have.

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01:04:47,594 --> 01:04:51,114

It's the proof of work, the way your,

your kids have seen the world and what

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01:04:51,114 --> 01:04:55,134

they experience and they're bilingual

and they, they have a whole different.

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01:04:55,499 --> 01:05:00,779

Perspective and you have these

relationship and experiences together.

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01:05:00,788 --> 01:05:02,089

And that is just awesome.

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01:05:02,099 --> 01:05:03,719

So just a shout out to you guys.

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As we, as we wrap up, what would be

maybe one or two of your favorite

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resources that you might point people to?

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I mean, obviously we're going

to put in the show notes, a

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link to one's bitten and to.

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To, um, to your book.

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01:05:18,859 --> 01:05:19,469

Choose life.

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01:05:20,179 --> 01:05:24,699

So we'll have links to, to that, but is

there anything else that you guys have

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that are favorite resources or favorite

things that you like to point people to?

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01:05:29,484 --> 01:05:31,224

Prince: We use a lot of

different things, don't we?

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01:05:31,225 --> 01:05:33,394

We use Khan Academy quite a bit.

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01:05:34,484 --> 01:05:34,504

Yeah.

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01:05:35,224 --> 01:05:35,834

KUBRIO.

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01:05:35,904 --> 01:05:38,384

K U B R I O.

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01:05:38,774 --> 01:05:40,544

Online learning platform.

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01:05:40,774 --> 01:05:42,974

Online self directed education platform.

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Probably for I think the sweet spot for

kids aged between 8 to 14 at the moment.

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Uh, then, Out School, obviously

has a lot of, uh, stuff on there

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01:05:54,774 --> 01:05:56,144

that you can just plug into.

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And if you want to go down the

rabbit hole, and like we said, in

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getting yourself prepared first

is key, uh, uh, any of the books

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by John Holt, that's H O L T.

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Peter Gray.

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Peter Gray's book, Free to Learn.

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I have an interview with Peter

on the Once Bitten podcast.

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01:06:16,899 --> 01:06:20,929

also have an interview with Pat

Ferringer, who carried on John Holt's

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work as well on the Once Bitten podcast.

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01:06:22,929 --> 01:06:25,629

So if you just go to Once Bitten and

search Peter Gray, you'll find it,

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01:06:25,689 --> 01:06:27,769

or Pat Ferringer, you'll find it.

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01:06:27,770 --> 01:06:29,659

Naomi Fisher.

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Naomi Fisher, she's written a book, two

books now, uh, that are very worth digging

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into, uh, because she comes at this from

a clinical child psychologist point of

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01:06:39,134 --> 01:06:45,604

view that was in the system before she had

to get out of the system because she saw,

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01:06:45,874 --> 01:06:50,964

like her, her big light bulb moment was

maybe there's nothing wrong with the kids.

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01:06:51,004 --> 01:06:51,724

Maybe it's the

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01:06:51,779 --> 01:06:52,399

Scott: Mm hmm.

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01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,233

Mm

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01:06:53,544 --> 01:06:56,214

Prince: then of course she was

canceled for saying such things.

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01:06:56,894 --> 01:07:05,394

And, uh, John Taylor Gatto,

all of his books, incredible.

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01:07:05,934 --> 01:07:07,354

Gabo Marte.

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Gabo Marte.

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Hold on to your kids.

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Another book.

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Yeah.

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01:07:11,209 --> 01:07:16,199

Uh, and for the Austrian economic minded

people out there, go and read Rothbard's

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01:07:16,219 --> 01:07:19,809

book, Education Free and Compulsory.

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01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:22,999

So if you're coming at this from

a Bitcoin slant or an Austrian

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01:07:23,019 --> 01:07:25,409

economics slant, go read Rothbard.

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01:07:25,669 --> 01:07:26,299

It's amazing.

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01:07:26,409 --> 01:07:26,929

Scott: Okay.

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01:07:27,538 --> 01:07:28,509

Oh, I love it.

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01:07:29,019 --> 01:07:30,879

I can't wait to put

all the links to those.

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And then Tali and I

are always looking for,

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01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:33,809

Prince: Sorry for the extra

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01:07:34,149 --> 01:07:38,339

Scott: no, I mean, it's great because

now there are things that we haven't yet

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read or explored and, and that's just,

that's a fantastic, uh, fantastic start.

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01:07:45,538 --> 01:07:47,969

So we'll absolutely check all those out.

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01:07:48,899 --> 01:07:51,589

But any other, any other final

thoughts, Claire, Tali, you

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01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:53,019

guys, uh, you want to get out.

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01:07:54,979 --> 01:07:59,029

No, guys, we really we really appreciate

your time we're looking forward to

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01:07:59,029 --> 01:08:04,529

hopefully meeting up maybe in Madeira And

best of luck with these other the next

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stages that you guys go through as well.

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01:08:07,788 --> 01:08:08,439

Prince: Thank you for having us.

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Thank you very much.