Episode 25

₿HS025: Protecting Parent-Child Relationships with Seb Bunney


We can’t control lobbying or money printing but we can control what we do at home.  Foster your parent-child bonds.  Protect them from the hidden costs of money on the family.


  • Our monetary environment plays a role in our parents’ ability to show up authentically.
  • For example, when parents have to work their ass off to try to support the family’s financial needs, it can lead to kids not getting their emotional needs met.
  • The latter leads to yet other secondary, tertiary issues.
  • Seb’s book “Hidden Cost of Money” has entire chapter on the family unit.
  • Seb describes how money is like language, it communicates information.  It’s a “medium of expression,” not just a medium of exchange.
  • Like language, money can also be censored.
  • An example is capital controls in China.  A father who cannot store his capital for his family, cannot express his support for his family.
  • The ability to express ourselves is vital for kids, for parents.
  • Everyone’s time preference is impacted by money, and not for the better.  The loss of purchasing power through inflation is decreasing the focus on building long term security for one’s family and increasing the focus on impulsive, consumer-based decisions.
  • Meaninglessness sets in as the rising cost of living makes it more and more challenging to plan.  In psychological terms, the locus of control is shifting from internal to external.  This leads to poor health outcomes.
  • People get stuck at the bottom layer of the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs because money is broken and their purchasing power melts.  They therefore have harder and harder time moving up to self-actualization.  This reduces altruism and compassion to give back.
  • Tali challenges if there isn’t a silver lining in how bad our money is broken.  For example, one of America’s greatest strengths, a strive for individualism, is also our great weakness, e.g., spiritual wealth.  Perhaps this will bring extended families back together.
  • There are compounding negative impacts for kids: stress of the mother during pregnancy, poor diet, less time with parents.
  • The world is not black and white.  Other factors are the medical system, social media, and lobbying, e.,g. big pharm.  Their incentives are not aligned with a low time preference strategy on health where we would address chronic illnesses decades before they become urgent.
  • Comparing and contrasting the western and eastern views of life, health and death.
  • Tali brings it back to the family level.  We can’t control lobbying.  We can’t control money printing.  But we can control what we do at home, i.e., keeping a positive mental attitude and sharing positive energy.
  • Before a child is even born, it is impacted by the mother’s stress, e.g., stress hormones.  And money is one the largest sources of stress.  
  • When kids are motivated and passionate about something, their capacity to learn is exponentially greater.  Therefore, if a child shows an interest in something, allow and encourage them to pursue it.
  • Kids needs to have some outlet in the physical or sport realm. 
  • What do you value?   Comparing and contrasting the 3 P’s (power, prestige, possession) versus the 3 C’s (contributions, challenges, connections).
  • There are decisions you can make that you a better parent.  Teaching critical thinking is one of those.
  • There is a spectrum of protecting kids.  On one side is “share everything”.  On the other is extreme nurturing.  Understanding this framework helps think through what and when, i.e., what age, certain information is most helpful.
  • “Prepare your child for the road, not the road for your child.” – Gary Ezzo
  • Understanding how we move through trauma is incredibly important for parents.
  • Seb’s recommended resources for parents



  • Tali's Twitter @OrangeHatterPod
  • Scott's Twitter @ScottLindberg93
  • Scott's nostr npub19jkuyl0wgrj8kccqzh2vnseeql9v98ptrx407ca9qjsrr4x5j9tsnxx0q6
  • Free Market Kids' Twitter @FreeMarketKids
  • Orange Pill App @FreeMarketKids
  • Free Market Kids' games including HODL UP https://www.freemarketkids.com/collections/games


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Tali Lindberg

Hey there, wonderful listeners! I'm Tali, and I'm so excited to welcome you to our podcast today. For two decades, I was knee-deep in the incredible journey of homeschooling my four amazing kids. It was a world of boundless creativity, filled with lesson plans, school projects, sports, and beautiful chaos. But when my children all graduated, a brand-new, unforeseen adventure awaited me - the captivating world of Bitcoin.

It took three years for Scott to bring me into Bitcoin. I hesitated at first, Bitcoin's intricacies seemed daunting, and my plate was already quite full. But he persisted, going so far as to create a fantastic bitcoin-mining board game called HODL UP to demystify it all. Before I knew it, I was down the Bitcoin rabbit hole. Just like my homeschooling journey, I took it one step at a time, learning and evolving as I ventured further.

Now, here we are today, and I couldn't be more thrilled to be part of the vibrant Bitcoin community. In an unexpected twist, my husband Scott and I realized that our homeschooling experiences can be a treasure trove of insights for Bitcoiners who, like us, want to take charge of their children's education. So, in addition to sharing our Bitcoin knowledge with Precoiners with HODL UP and the Orange Hatter podcast, we're here to offer tips and guidance for Bitcoin-homeschoolers. It's going to be an incredible journey, and I can't wait to share it with all of you. Enjoy the ride!
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Scott Lindberg

Scott Lindberg is a freedom-loving entrepreneur, author, and game designer. He is a proponent of finding freedom by taking self-custody of education, money and speech.

He and his wife, Tali, co-founded Free Market Kids. Their passion is to give the next generation the knowledge and tools to maximize their chances for freedom, success and happiness. Free Market Kids makes it easy and fun to introduce money concepts to kids through tabletop games, courses, lesson plans and trusted resources. They are best known for HODL UP™, a Bitcoin mining game.

Scott graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1993 with a Bachelor of Science in Systems Engineering. In 2001, he graduated Yale’s School of Management with a Master of Business Administration.