Episode 2

₿HS002: Physical Freedom = Enhanced Growth

SHOW TOPIC:

By not controlling everything for kids, and by not protecting them too much, kids better learn how to live in this world.  In this conversation, Tali and Scott go deep on how allowing kids to be in physically free environments helps more than intellectual and physical development.  

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:

  • A feature of taking self-custody of education is being in control of the agenda and the environment
  • Separating parents from kids enhances the state’s control over the population
  • Public schools focus on and reward conformity
  • The unique approach of a Japanese kindergarten (see TED Talk link in the resources section)
  • Staying physical healthy is part of a low-time-preference life
  • “Don’t control them too much”
  • “Kids need small doses of danger”
  • “Kids need noise”
  • You have SO MANY resources within this community … Commitment is the first step
  • Help make this show more valuable … What do you want to learn about homeschooling?

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Transcript
Scott:

Hi everybody.

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Welcome to today's show.

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Tali and I go deep on a subject and it

was inspired by a video that she found.

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She's really good about finding

interesting resources, even if they're

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not in education and then applying them.

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So you're going to hear

us refer to a video a lot.

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I encourage everybody to check that

video out and also just realize we

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We're supporting ourselves.

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So if you like what you hear, we want

to hear what you would like us to talk

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So with that enjoy the show.

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This is our second installment

of Bitcoin Homeschoolers.

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And today we're going to experiment.

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There's a really cool resource we're

going to get to in just a second.

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Tali found this one and we think

a lot of lessons learned just to

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kind of set the context again.

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This is for anybody who's either

thinking about homeschooling, thinking

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about having a family, or even if

you already have small kids and maybe

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you just want to teach some extra

things to you while they're at home.

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There's just a lot to share with regard

to taking self custody of education.

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And today we're going to apply some

first principles of freedom to learning.

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So I'm pretty excited to dig into this.

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The idea of this too, let me also

say for context that homeschooling

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to me is way more than just

picking the right curriculum.

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Like, did I go to classical conversations?

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Did I go to whatever it is, some other

thing it goes beyond that you are free to

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experiment when you self custody education

You are free to experiment with things

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that you want to try that you think fit

You do not have to conform to someone

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else's ideas and if you try them and you

find them they work That's great sharing

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with others But maybe they don't work

and you just go on and you try the next

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thing Contrast that to public schools

where heaven forbid a boy won't sit still

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for 45 minutes or an hour in a chair and

We give them drugs and we label them

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with some kind of thing and by the way the

demand for those drugs go to manufacturers

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and guess who they give their donations

to the same political elite who

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influences the laws is about education.

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So in a bigger context where I'm

going with this is the school is

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an extension of government control.

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They want to control what you hear on

everything on social media and things,

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but going beyond that, getting into

what kids actually are exposed to

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and how they think is a huge way of

controlling a populace and it goes to

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essentially separating parents and kids.

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You divide the family unit and you

can push whatever agenda you want.

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Climate, gender, a CDBC.

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Maybe we should have fearful

COVID lockdowns again,

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and you need to get a jab.

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The roots of this really go back to

communist manifesto where dividing the

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family unit is essential to state control.

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All that's kind of dark.

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We're going to actually have fun today.

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So Tali, can you take the baton from me

here, explain the resource that inspired

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today's talk, and then we can get into it.

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Tali: I came across this video and I

thought it was really interesting as a

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contrast to the way most people think

of schools, especially when we talk

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to people who are new to homeschooling

and they're wondering about the

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number one concern I think everybody's

wondering about is always socialization.

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So I came across this video and.

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It is such an opposite to the

experience that my kids had

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when they were very, very young.

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And we were experimenting with putting

them into the traditional school setting.

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And in our case, they didn't go to

public school, but they went to a

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private preschool and I'll just describe

our experience really quickly and then

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tie into the video that we're going

to share with you and talk about.

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Our oldest was three, and I decided to

put her in preschool because by then I

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had decided to homeschool, but of course

everybody was telling me that she would

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get no social skills, so I put her in this

really popular preschool in the area that

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we lived in that had a long wait list.

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I mean, you had to sign up almost

a year before kids start school.

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So, she went there for a year.

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Our second child went there also.

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And the whole time, I just

assumed that they were doing great.

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They were learning to

socialize with other kids.

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They were coming home with

beautiful art projects.

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And I thought, Oh, they

must be doing really well.

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Well, when our third child was born and

we were looking at also possibly putting

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her in that same preschool, I decided

at that point that I wanted to spend

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time from drop off to pickup there to

find out exactly what they were doing.

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I don't know why it took me two years

before I did that, but anyway, so made all

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the arrangements I went in and here's what

I observed in a place that we specifically

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put the kids to, to socialize.

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Okay, so what happens is the kids

get dropped off, and immediately

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they are brought into the foyer

area of the school and lined up.

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The kids are told to put their hands on

each other's shoulders and follow the

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line on the floor marked by tape to go

to the area where they have the cubbies.

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So, in a straight line, mouth

closed, told to be quiet, walk to

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the cubby room, they, in that room,

again, no talking, they're told to

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be quiet repeatedly, they take off

their backpacks put into the cubby.

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They are again lined up, following a

line on the floor, brought into their

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classroom, and they are told to sit.

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Where they sit is they would go

to a stack of carpet squares.

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They would each pick a carpet

square, put it on the floor, and

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they're allowed to sit on the square.

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They're not to talk to anybody.

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They're not to touch anybody.

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They're told to be quiet.

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Then the teacher comes in and I

don't even remember what exactly

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they did, if they did the ABCs or

if they told a story or something.

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But again, emphatically, they're

told to be quiet, keep their

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hands to themselves, they're not

interacting with each other at all.

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They do some kind of exercise, then

they have an art and craft time.

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The children were told to bring a book

off the shelf so they can read quietly.

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Again, no interaction with each

other, no talking, no anything.

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And one by one, they were called

up to the arts and craft table.

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And it was around Christmas, The

teacher picks up the student,

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in her lap, holds the student's

thumb, pushes it into the ink pad

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and makes a perfect Christmas tree.

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Then she puts the child on the floor,

tells him or her to go sit on the

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square and they call the next person.

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So everybody had the perfect

Christmas tree that they can then

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hand to their parents and say,

look at what I did in art class.

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Every single one of them looked

exactly the same, except for the

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fingerprint that was on the picture,

because it was their own thumb.

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Then it was social time.

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So again, they're lined up, told

to be quiet, walked in a straight

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line out to the playground.

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And then they have 10 minutes

to quote unquote play.

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They were released from the line.

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The kids separated.

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And I was watching them like this is

what I send my kid to preschool to do

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to socialize and what did I observe?

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75 percent of them went to the playground

and sat alone for 10 minutes couple

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of them play with each other You can

tell that they probably knew each other

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from outside preschool Then again,

they were lined up brought back to

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the room same thing same drill until

they were picked up by the parents

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And I was stunned because I thought

this is what they call socializing.

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Like we're paying this expensive

tuition to train up our kids to

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walk in straight lines and be quiet.

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So when I came across this video

that we're going to start talking

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about, it is exactly the opposite in

a country where they are known for

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conformity and discipline, and yet

they take such a different approach.

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And the reason I compare these

two is because as parents, if

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we decide to try homeschooling.

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These are the choices that we're going

to make that will impact our kids

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as people, not just their intellect

but emotional, social, everything.

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It's just a really important aspect

of homeschooling that I think we can

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pay attention to and be aware of, and

the possibilities that are open to

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parents that are not experienced in

either private or public schools here.

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Scott: Yeah.

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Can I say one quick thing?

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While you're saying that the

expression that comes to mind for

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Bitcoiners is don't trust and verify.

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You essentially verified you and I

just want to see what's going on.

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You went and checked it

out and you're like, whoa.

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I thought that we're sending our

kids here to socialize and that is

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not at all what you're witnessing.

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It's more like conformity on steroids.

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So, I mean that's an interesting thing.

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I did not even think about

when we, we saw this video.

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I do think we need to get to that

video because we've now referenced

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it a couple of times and people are

like, what are we talking about?

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So you want me to do it?

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Okay, fine.

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I, so.

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So this, so Tali is really good.

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She's always, she always has a

radar on looking around and saying,

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that's an interesting concept.

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And it could be anything.

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It could be an entrepreneur self

help book or something else.

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It's a health book.

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It's something in, she'll take

it and use it in homeschooling.

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Today's video is from a TEDx talk.

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It was done in 2014.

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We're going to have

the show link in there.

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It's only nine minutes long,

so you got to check it out.

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I want Takahara Tezuka, I'm probably not

saying that correctly, but if you search

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for The Best Kindergarten You've Ever

Seen, TED Talk, you'll see it come up.

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And the idea of this video,

essentially, this is the architect.

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He gets up and he talks and they

show a lot of examples throughout.

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They essentially built, looks like

a giant courtyard where the building

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that surrounds it is a circle.

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So if you looked at it from a

helicopter, it'd look like a big O.

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And the top part of the actual

roof of this is like a deck

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and it's a really low deck.

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So if you're standing on the deck, you can

see everything going on in the courtyard.

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And if you're in the courtyard,

you can see all the, all your

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friends running around on this

big deck and it's pretty wide.

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It must be at least 50 or 60 feet wide.

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And the whole idea of this is.

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Kids are just, they just let them go.

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Now, my understanding from Tali is,

since she spent time in Japan, that

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they probably do have times when they're

required to sit, they're not showing

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that, they're not highlighting it.

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But it's amazing.

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He will go step by step what they were

looking for when they designed it.

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And an example is the principal

asked the architect, the one

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speaking, to not have handrails.

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And said, why can't we just put a

little net out to extend from the roof

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to catch the kids when they fall?

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And he said, no, no, no, we

have to have handrails.

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So this is an example of the

thought that was going on.

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When they designed this and, there's

no walls from the classrooms are all

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on the first floor and most of the

year they keep the inside walls open.

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So now there's no separation

from indoors and outdoors either.

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Kids can get up and literally leave

the classroom, go outside where there's

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trees and some playground equipment.

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They can go up and down to the

roof, there's trees popping up

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through the deck, and the walls are

open most of the year, they have

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watering stations all over the place.

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Step by step, he goes through

what was the thought process on

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why they designed it this way.

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And it basically has a lot to

do with letting kids be kids.

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And we should go through some

of the examples on there, but

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Tali help me explain Thank you.

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Because without seeing this, it's really

hard to envision this kindergarten.

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Yeah.

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Tali: So I think I'll just start with

what jumped out at me other than the roof

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because obviously the roof is absolutely

amazing that the kids are allowed

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to run and nobody's telling them to.

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Walk, don't run.

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I heard that so much when our kids

were growing up, everywhere that we

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went, whether it was at a church or,

you know, at a shopping mall or at a

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park or anywhere where there was some

kind of authority figure, the children

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are repeatedly told, walk, don't run.

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Why?

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Children run naturally.

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If a child, like if nobody's telling

a child how to behave and the child's

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going from point A to point B,

most likely they're running, right?

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So anyway, so the, so the roof

really jumps out at you right away.

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But the part that I loved was what the

architect was talking about, which is we

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are so accustomed to thinking that school

equals put children in a quiet room.

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And basically sit them down at a desk.

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And in this school, they have no walls.

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It's just a giant open area.

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And I, I'm guessing the walls

are on the outside of the school.

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So once they enter, they're enclosed.

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But once they get inside, there are no

walls separating any of this huge area.

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And the kids are allowed

to interact with nature.

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Also, there's no noise.

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Isolation.

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So there's nobody being told

to be quiet because you don't

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have sound bouncing off of walls.

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And so the kids end up able to learn

in their natural state, which is an

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active, very active state, whether

they're running or climbing trees or

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interacting with each other or splashing

water on each other or filling their

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rain boots with water instead of

cleaning the boots from the outside.

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I mean, children are being children.

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Scott: Yeah, that, to me,

there was, he emphasized.

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That one of their principles designing

this was not to control them.

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If someone was upset and would

normally hide in a corner, the teacher

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would just let them walk and they

knew that because it's in a circle,

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they can eventually come back.

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The idea that you're describing with

no noise, he gave a great example.

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He said, in real life you

don't get to control that.

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If you're at work, if you're in

a bar, you have noise around you.

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And by having this completely

open, like acoustic.

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The way it was set up, there's no, if

you can't, if any classroom could go out

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into the courtyard, that also means that

if there was some activity in a different

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classroom, that noise would come through.

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And , he commented specifically that not

having any acoustic barriers between the

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classroom, that it led to an ability for

the kids to show amazing concentration

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levels while they were in the class.

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And he basically said they need noise.

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And today we try to keep

everything under control.

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And when you say don't control

them, these little things matter.

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Sit down, be quiet, no noise and

these are, these are kindergartners.

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I mean, I, I get it when you get to, when

you get to elementary school and high

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school age, things are going to be, you

know, your, your environment might change.

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But to me, like this, this this idea

of like leveraging kids being kids, as

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opposed to trying to control them and get

them to do exactly what you Want your kid

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to do that's not the way they're wired.

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It's not how they are naturally.

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Tali: Yeah I don't think that kids

should be treated like tiny sized adults.

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Kids at their different developmental

stages have certain energy levels.

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So for example, in our children's case,

in the preschool that we put them in, how

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much energy do you think they're expending

trying to control themselves to sit still?

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And if at the same time you're

requiring them to expend energy

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to learn new concepts, you're

really asking a lot of these kids.

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Now, I'm not saying that children should

have no discipline because anybody who

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knows Japanese culture, discipline is a

big, big thing, yes, they're showing in

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this video, the kids running around, but

rest assured they are teaching discipline

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somewhere in there, but they are not

doing it against the nature of the kids

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physically when they're that age, being

active is absolutely normal, you know,

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and if we start labeling them with ADHD or

whatever, because they can't quote unquote

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sit still, that's exceptionally unfair.

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Scott: Can you give a couple examples,

because I mean you didn't see this video

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before you were developing our homeschool

curriculum or environment, our environment

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I guess is the right way of saying

that, and how you let our kids be kids.

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Tali: Yeah, I think for me , it

was personal because when I was

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growing up with my siblings, I

have younger brother and older

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sister, and my younger brother was.

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Very, very active.

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And I just remember all the time he

was being reprimanded for how active

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he was, like it was a negative thing.

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And yet at the same time, I was watching

how it was a very positive thing because

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he was able to exert leadership with kids.

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In our neighborhood and wherever

he went, he was always the guy

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who came up with the ideas and was

directing a group of kids do stuff.

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He was a natural born leader.

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And I think a lot of that comes

from his energy level and his

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ability to, to think quickly.

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But if you're forcing someone like

that to sit still at a table, holding

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a pen, tracing lines on paper, when

their natural state is to be energetic.

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I I saw the consequence of that,

you know, to, to feel defeated,

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to feel like a failure when he

was asked to do those things.

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So when our kids were younger, I just

always remember that part about what I

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observed growing up watching my brother,

because for me and my sister being girls,

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we didn't have any trouble sitting still.

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It was our natural state.

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We liked being quiet and we liked

sitting still, but when we had our kids,

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we had a girl and then a boy I want

it emphatically to make sure that our

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kids, no matter what their personalities

were, were not mislabeled that way.

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Scott: No, I mean, there's, I mean, I

think examples help color this a little

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bit so that the next thing that was on the

list that I thought was a great call out

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is not trying to protect them too much.

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And this is different than control.

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And he, he comments specifically.

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That if kids, like, for example,

they had around the trees that were

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coming up through the decks, they

had netting there, and the kids, if

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they fell, could fall in the netting.

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They basically turned it

into like a playground.

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And they let the kids run when

they were outside on the deck.

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So, to me, he basically said,

let them get some injury.

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And they intentionally designed,

like, this separate little building

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in the center of the courtyard where

they had a lot of different floors

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that were very, very close together.

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So it almost looked like a...

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A jungle gym to me, but it was,

it was much nicer than that.

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And he said it's okay for them to take

some risk and to have some injury.

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And I do think we're, we're so

overprotective now as a society, if you,

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you know, you're going to go outside,

well, you better have your helmet

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on, elbow pads and everything else.

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And, kids, they need to take some

risk and get some, some injury.

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And this also had some

great social examples.

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Where, while the kids were trying to

figure out how to get up and down,

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whether or not they should jump,

that the other kids would help them.

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Maybe they would push them up, or

help pull them up, or whatever it is.

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But I think we should explore

a little bit this concept of

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not overprotecting our kids.

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And it's a delicate balance.

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You don't want your kids to be...

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In unnecessary danger on the

other hand, I think it is possible

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that we've gone too far in the

spectrum to overprotect our kids.

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And what does that teach them in terms of

critical thinking, in terms of confidence,

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in terms of other things later in life, I

do think there's some consequence with it.

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And that's one of the things that struck

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Tali: I agree with that.

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Just remembering again from my

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developing country where most parents

were focused on just survival.

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responsibilities really early that

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the result is kids learn very early

on that they are capable people.

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school, I remember one kid in my class

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who had epilepsy this was a class of 50

kids and everybody knew that if she ever

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went into a spasm, the kids sitting around

her would get on the floor with her, open

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up her mouth, and put a ruler between

her teeth so she didn't bite her tongue.

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It wasn't like older elementary.

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It was early elementary

and all the kids knew.

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go and put something between her teeth

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so she didn't bite down on her tongue.

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today I feel like we are so quick to take

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power away from our kids to make them feel

like they can't help each other because if

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you have trouble, go to the authorities.

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But when I was growing up, all the

kids were tasked with that very

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important life saving response.

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It wasn't if you see her fall

down, you go get the teacher.

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It was if you see her fall down, you go

put a ruler in her mouth and protect her.

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So when we're homeschooling, that's

one of the things that we get to expose

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the kids to, to show them that they are

capable people instead of protecting

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them so much that you make them feel

like they are so fragile, you know,

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and they are so much more capable

than we give them credit for today.

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Scott: Yeah.

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Man, there's a lot to this.

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I think it's huge for building confidence.

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I'm actually having a little flashback

when I was at West Point, they had

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indoor and outdoor obstacle courses.

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So for those that have not had the

benefit of being in the military,

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you're You're put together maybe

with a small squad of nine or 10 20

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year olds you're wearing fatigues.

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It's probably hot in the summer.

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combination of ledges and heights.

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a team to get over some obstacle.

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all different makes and sizes.

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had, you know, all these Jackie Chan

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gymnasts that just could run up and do it.

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You might have a football player.

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You might have a petite woman you

might have like whoever in your squad.

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And you, you do a couple things with this.

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Are you at risk of getting hurt?

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Yes, you could fall, and if you did,

it, you're pretty good chance that

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you could get a really bad bruise or

a, even break, a bone or something.

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But I, I don't recall anybody

actually breaking a bone on it.

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Maybe I just don't remember it correctly,

but it's huge for team building.

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It's huge for leadership qualities.

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It's huge for confidence and you don't

need to have huge levels of that

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little bit of risk or danger, that

small dose of danger that he mentions

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in the video for them to learn to work

together, to build confidence to grow.

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And, I think that's pretty huge.

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I look back at things that

people thought we were crazy.

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But Tali, when you asked me to build

monkey bars in the house because you

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had read a book on brachiation, I,

I thought, what the heck am I doing?

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But it was great.

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The kids in between whatever you had

them doing, they could be, you know,

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literally swinging from, from bars or

putting a jump house in and letting a an

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inflatable jump house, putting that up in

the living room or a fort in the basement.

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You don't, you may not have the, the

ability to go to someplace like this high

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end kindergarten that probably has a long

waiting line to get in that's, you know,

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ergonomically designed for development.

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When you are thinking about what to do

for your kids, you can get creative and

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if you can't do it in your house, maybe

you have a small house or you're renting

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and you can't do that kind of thing.

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Well, you can, you can seek out

activities with other groups

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and get them exposed to that.

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Everything from ice skating

to, I don't even know what else.

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So, I mean, you could do almost

anything, but I just think it's really

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insightful that at an early age, at

this kindergarten level, you can really

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apply those to a education curriculum

for elementary, even high school levels.

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And if you look at the military,

look, I mean, there's, they're

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using those same principles, even

for young leaders in the military.

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So to me.

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Huge opportunity.

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You take self custody of your education.

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You get to try out these things.

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See what you can do.

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If you can't do it literally

in your own house.

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Maybe you go down to a playground

or a park and you let kids climb

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the trees and take a little risk.

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Anyway, so I think there's a huge, huge

learning there for kids in this formative

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age to learn about leadership, taking

risks, confidence, and you talk about

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socialization, wow, that is a much more

social than sitting on your little square

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of, of carpet and following a line.

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Tali: Yeah, and I want to

go back to letting the kids

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naturally help each other.

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I don't know if most people have read

that book, Lore of the Flies, where

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the kids were alone and the social

structure got horrible and violent.

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I think we, as parents, we always need

to be very mindful of our assumptions.

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And if we assume that kids with out

rules will eat each other, then yeah,

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we're going to be really careful.

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We're gonna overprotect but if our

assumption is most people are good and

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kids are usually, you know born filled

with love and bravery and courage and

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the desire to be helpful and if you spend

time with little kids at all you learn

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very quickly that they want their effort

to count and they want to be helpful.

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And so if we assume that they cannot

be, then we take the opportunity

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away from them and let's say

they're trying to help us I don't

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know, bring in groceries, right?

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And we go, no, no, no, that's going to

take too long and you might drop it.

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Here is a tablet.

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Go play some video games

while I do the work.

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What did you just tell your child

you're not capable of helping me?

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But if you, If you go with their desire

to be helpful, and yes, they drop a few

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apples or, you know, they bruise your

pears or something, that's okay because

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that's a very small price to pay for

them feeling capable and helping you.

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And that kind of thing grows.

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And on the opposite side, if you

constantly give them something to

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occupy themselves because it'll

be faster and easier for you to do

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something, then that sense of, oh,

I can't help, I am only going to

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mess things up, that will also grow.

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So just be mindful of your

assumptions, when your kids are

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little and it's very nuanced.

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It's a day by day, moment

by moment kind of awareness.

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So I'm not saying you have to be perfect,

but it's just something to keep in mind.

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Scott: right.

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We just keep on going

through these examples.

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And again, I know it's for those that are

listening that haven't seen the video yet.

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When you see it and you see the

examples of what these kids are doing

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and how intentional the environment

is designed to help them develop.

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I guarantee you will be inspired for your

own kids on what you can do for them.

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The next thing on my list that

I wanted to get into was a,

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just a note on physical health.

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And again, as most people know, I was in

the military for a short period of time.

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I remember had an exchange program.

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I got to spend a week in the Netherlands

and those cadets got to spend a week here.

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And another cadet and I asked

them what they thought and they

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looked around and they basically

said we think Americans look fat.

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And you, you just look at what's

going on with recruitment these

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days in the military and there's, I

mean, there's, there's some things

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in our society where we are really

not taking care of ourselves.

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And so tying this back to what

are you teaching your kids?

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This was what I mean by going way beyond

the curriculum with what are you going

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to use for math or what are you going

to do for reading or whatever it is when

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you are designing the environment for

your kids to learn and you can teach

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them the importance of physical health

at an early age, this is tremendous.

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And this, this also gets into the low

time preference type of thing, too.

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If you're thinking about your

health for the long term.

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Think about the, the proven links between

someone who is physically fit and their

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ability from an intellectual standpoint,

from an emotional standpoint, their

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health in other aspects of their life.

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And I don't think anybody denies that

there's links there between physical

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health and the mind and the body.

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So teaching kids early to

be active and not just to sit

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there is actually a good thing.

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In the video, the architect says that

the circumference of the building

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is, I think it was 180 meters, it

was something close to 200 meters.

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And then he put up an example of, they

had followed a boy around just in the

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morning to kind of see, he went from

one place to another and they mapped

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it out to see how far he had gone.

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And just in the morning,

he had gone 6, 000 meters.

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So in terms of those that may track

how far they've walked in the day.

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That's almost four miles.

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That's like 3.

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7 miles that this little kindergarten

boy that they had followed and the

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architect's call out was that kids

are active and way he said it was,

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they have some of the highest athletic

abilities amongst other kindergartners.

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He said on average, the, including

literally all students, they move

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an average of 4, 000 meters a day.

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So again, these are

kindergartners that are moving 2.

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5 miles on average every day.

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I think that sets them

up for a lot of success.

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I think.

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Being physically active is healthy,

not just physically, but also in

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terms of being able to concentrate

in terms of brain development,

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in terms of emotional health.

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And this is something that I, I

personally believe has to be part

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of a homeschooling curriculum.

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This video really shows that you

can start this at an early age.

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So I guess what I'm saying is that the

physical activity that was encouraged with

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this, not just the social and the learning

and all those other things, but the

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physical side of this is a huge takeaway.

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Well, I

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Tali: disagree a little bit with

what you said about we need to train

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them up to be physically active.

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I think kids are naturally

physically active.

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We don't need to encourage

them or train them up.

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I think we need to not discourage

them from physically active.

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I mean, if we go to the playground,

You know, at a local park,

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what do you see kids doing?

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They run around, but you also

see parents there saying, don't

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run, walk, don't run, walk.

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So when you say stuff like that

to a child who is actively running

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around, they learn to become inactive.

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They learn that running

is dangerous, right?

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So I think physical activity

comes very naturally for children.

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We just need to allow them the freedom to.

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to express that and to maybe hopefully we

do it with them instead of just standing

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around watching them because while we're

watching them, they're also watching us.

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So if they're running around and you know,

the years go by and they're watching,

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you just standing there being inactive,

then eventually they're going to tend

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that way, you know, but when our kids

were little, I made a point to take them.

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To the park and on the trails when

they ran I ran with them I remember

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one time we went and our oldest was two

and a half I think scott was pushing

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a stroller with our baby and our one

year old and our oldest just wanted to

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run and i'm like Hey scott go run with

her and you said no i'm gonna push the

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stroller so I ran with her and she ran

non stop for two miles and Let me just

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tell ya, that was not fun for me, okay?

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Cause I was sore for many days

after that, but I ran with her.

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And I hope that, at least

that day, she learned that

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running was a family activity.

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Scott: hmm.

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Wow, I, I think, so I, how do we,

so those are the things on my list.

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They, they, that you could take away.

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This is a nine minute video on how

to design an environment to encourage

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this, the development with kids.

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And there's so many lessons.

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That can actually apply to how

you set up your environment and

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what you do to teach your kids.

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And I, I just think it's an amazing,

it's an amazing application of

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looking at one idea, one place

and applying it somewhere else.

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But we've covered the things that

I wanted to take from the video.

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Is there anything else that we

missed from, from your point of view?

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Tali: I want to emphasize again

that we're talking about striking

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a balance between letting kids be

kids and also instilling discipline.

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Because for those of you who go to that

video and watch the nine minute video,

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they are not showing you the disciplined

side of a Japanese kindergarten, but

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I will guarantee you that it is there.

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So we're not saying let

your children run wild.

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If you're homeschooling, let them

do whatever they want, take them

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from the trees and never sit still.

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That's not what we're saying at all.

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We're saying let them have the opportunity

to do so and also teach them discipline.

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Scott: Right.

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And it's permissionless, right?

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Right.

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Just because we did it a certain way.

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You don't need our

permission to do it your way.

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If you don't like what we're

saying, this is, these are just

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ideas that we're talking about.

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So I, I agree with the balance.

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That's a good call out on that.

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I also think that if anybody's listening

to this and you're, you have not yet

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started to, to do this and you don't

have kids yet, don't overthink this.

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You don't start with the confidence

first when you do this, this

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all comes back to committing to

something that you know is right.

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Start with the commitment.

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You will have the courage,

especially if you and your

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significant other are in sync on this.

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That probably is a whole other

episode, by the way, probably

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should cover that separately.

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Have the courage to stick with it.

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Kids are super resilient.

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You have so many resources available.

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I would wrap this up with this physical

activity in the environment is something

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that you should add to your curriculum

in whatever way you would like to do it.

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Start with the commitment to do it

once you've done it and you've seen

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that and you've gone through it.

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Then your confidence on being

able to do more will grow.

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And kids have such amazing potential.

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If we could just figure out how to let

them be kids and let them grow naturally.

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Tali: Yeah, I just want to end by saying

kids are far more capable then we realize

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and they just need the opportunity

to show it within safe boundaries.

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Scott: Of course.

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All right, we'll wrap it

up We'll see you next week

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Tali Lindberg

Hey there, wonderful listeners! I'm Tali, and I'm so excited to welcome you to our podcast today. For two decades, I was knee-deep in the incredible journey of homeschooling my four amazing kids. It was a world of boundless creativity, filled with lesson plans, school projects, sports, and beautiful chaos. But when my children all graduated, a brand-new, unforeseen adventure awaited me - the captivating world of Bitcoin.

It took three years for Scott to bring me into Bitcoin. I hesitated at first, Bitcoin's intricacies seemed daunting, and my plate was already quite full. But he persisted, going so far as to create a fantastic bitcoin-mining board game called HODL UP to demystify it all. Before I knew it, I was down the Bitcoin rabbit hole. Just like my homeschooling journey, I took it one step at a time, learning and evolving as I ventured further.

Now, here we are today, and I couldn't be more thrilled to be part of the vibrant Bitcoin community. In an unexpected twist, my husband Scott and I realized that our homeschooling experiences can be a treasure trove of insights for Bitcoiners who, like us, want to take charge of their children's education. So, in addition to sharing our Bitcoin knowledge with Precoiners with HODL UP and the Orange Hatter podcast, we're here to offer tips and guidance for Bitcoin-homeschoolers. It's going to be an incredible journey, and I can't wait to share it with all of you. Enjoy the ride!
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Scott Lindberg is a freedom-loving entrepreneur, author, and game designer. He is a proponent of finding freedom by taking self-custody of education, money and speech.

He and his wife, Tali, co-founded Free Market Kids. Their passion is to give the next generation the knowledge and tools to maximize their chances for freedom, success and happiness. Free Market Kids makes it easy and fun to introduce money concepts to kids through tabletop games, courses, lesson plans and trusted resources. They are best known for HODL UP™, a Bitcoin mining game.

Scott graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1993 with a Bachelor of Science in Systems Engineering. In 2001, he graduated Yale’s School of Management with a Master of Business Administration.