Episode 33

₿HS033: Sovereign Education in Alaska

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To have sovereign money, we must have sovereign education.  In today’s episode, we explore sovereign education in Alaska with bitcoin homeschoolers, Wade and Tami.  They are breaking the misconception you can’t homeschool if both parents work.  They have also taken the initiative to organize the 2025 Bitcoin Alaska conference.  So much proof of work!  Check out their story.

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:

  • Homebridge is one of three options for parents in Juneau, Alaska
  • During the pandemic, Wade and Tami witnessed how poorly the school system was being run
  • A second factor that led to homeschooling was a first-hand experience from political agendas being pushed in public schools
  • Start homeschooling with kids as young as possible
  • Wad and Tami do not let their younger children have unsupervised access to digital devices
  • Psychosis is being actively allowed and taught in public schools
  • An elementary school had a “coming out transgender” party for an eight year old without the knowledge of the kids’ parents
  • Their kids are more diverse in terms of being able to socialize with other ages than their public school counterparts
  • Every state is different and the Alaska constitution mandates a robust public school system
  • Homebridge was established during COVID
  • It includes a physical location staffed by a teacher
  • Kids in the program have access to the public school library, sports and classes
  • Parents also get payments to be used on other activities, e.g., karate, ceramics, swimming, online classes, photography,
  • Offering topics outside of what public schools offer is a huge upside to homeschooling
  • Opened the door for dual-income families to still homeschool
  • Geographic arbitrage is how Wade described the ability to move to other states … in the long term, parents can vote with their feet
  • Their kids have been exposed to Bitcoin and even ask to get chore money in bitcoin instead of fiat
  • Society (thanks to fiat indoctrination) drastically underestimates when kids can learn new material 
  • Wade is a Mi Primer Bitcoin light node and teaches their diploma at their local Juneau meetup
  • Alaskan natives are very proud of being sovereign people
  • What “sovereign education” really means
  • One of the hardest things that challenged Wade and Tami was the stigma of what “homeschooling” means, especially when both parents work
  • There’s a huge lobby from the education union to push kids back into school because they’re losing funds
  • The swamp to include the government, NGO’s, unions, other special interests are going to fight harder than ever to protect their gravy train.  Parents must stand up for their rights.  The statists do not care about what is best for the child, nor what is the most effective and efficient method of education.  They care only about keeping power and control.
  • To win the big battle we must remove the money.  That’s the only way long term to win.  The education infinite game.
  • We all have different roles to play in the short and long term games.

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Transcript
Speaker:

So I think we should just start with the

if you guys could just tell us I almost

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wore that same sweatshirt, by the way I I

swear I was wearing that one earlier wade.

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Yeah, i'm completely

distracted In bitcoin veterans.

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It's a great sweatshirt Um, if we

could start with Who you guys are.

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You guys introduce yourselves and

then we'll just, we'll, we'll just

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start asking you questions from there.

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I'm Wade Hook.

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Bitcoin and veteran Alaska and me,

Premier Bitcoin and Light Node.

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Um, we homeschool our kids here in Alaska.

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I'll let Tammy introduce herself

and then, uh, Yeah, I'm Tammy Brown.

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Uh, different names, but that's okay.

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Well, I've lived in Alaska for 26 years.

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I have two older children.

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And then, wait, I have the two

younger children and we've been

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homeschooling Tristan and Sena

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well, since 2020.

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Actually since 20, the end of

, the school year of:

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Technically because the schools

here closed down in February.

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School doesn't.

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End up here in Alaska until May So we

were homeschooling through the last end of

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that and then put them through the actual

homeschool program The following school

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year and have been going strong ever

since through the home bridge homeschool

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program here in alaska here in juneau

So, how did you So you're the one that

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brought homeschooling and said hey wade.

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We should do this Were you the

one that was kind of homeschooled

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first We kind of agreed to do it.

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We were seeing how poorly run

the education system was because

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of the pandemic and how the

kids were not allowed in school.

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They would spend like 15 minutes a

day on the zoom class meetings and

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our kids were just screwing off.

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They weren't getting an education.

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They weren't doing anything.

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And so we decided even before that

school year ended that we're not doing

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this next year because it's ridiculous.

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There's really no other.

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way to put how the school

systems were run during the

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pandemic, other than ridiculous.

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And do I understand, you know, this

was something that happened and we

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had no way to, to factor this in.

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Yeah, I understand that.

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But I didn't think that my children,

our children were going to get a good

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education the following school year

going through public school system.

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There was no way.

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Could only handle so much with the kids

putting masks on so they could be on

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zoom calls to, to get an education.

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Yeah.

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They were required to put

a mask on to go on Zoom.

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No, but it was a That would be really bad.

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Yeah, it was definitely a signal.

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The next year we noticed that the kids

going to public school weren't going

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to school half the time anyway because

the school was closed down because

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somebody may have tested positive for

COVID or whatever during that time.

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Yeah, that was the big one.

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That was, that was the big one.

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It's like, how can you send your

kid to school and not know whether

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or not you're going to have to take

the next two weeks off work because

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the kid pops positive for COVID.

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And so, so how can you function like that

knowing that you can't maintain a job

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is you're bouncing in and out your kids

bouncing in and out of school because

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somebody in a classroom pops positive.

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So, that was the, the

end all be all for me.

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Yeah, and, and at the time, Wade

and I were both working from home.

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The state of Alaska kind of, as an

employer, they kind of shut down.

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Everybody was working from home.

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So I was like, I'm home anyway.

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Why don't, why don't we just homeschool?

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So we did.

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And I think with, with Sena at the time,

Sena was first grade when COVID hit.

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So she was second grade the

full year she went through

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Homebridge, the homeschool system.

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She was second grade.

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And that was, that was interesting.

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Tristan was going through fourth

grade and he was, everything he

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was doing was on the computer.

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But Senna starting out was in workbooks.

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And so what, what you are asking

is, is what would I advise other

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parents, you know, starting out?

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I think it's important to start

out with your smaller children.

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working on those basic fundamentals, the

reading, the writing, and the mathematics.

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And I think that's very

important to do at home on paper.

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But there is also some aspects of working

on a computer, because let's face it,

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computers are where we're at right now.

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Computers is where we're going to learn

how to maneuver through our society.

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It's also, you know, we have smartphones

and And we have, you know, if we're

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going to be moving into Bitcoin

and teaching this to our kids, they

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have to be electronically sound.

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And I think that's very important

to teach them at an early age.

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And I don't mean three and four year olds.

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Our kids don't have cell phones.

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Our little ones don't.

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They're not allowed to be on electronics

unless they're monitored, even at, you

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know, 11, almost 12 and 13, almost 14.

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They don't have free access to

electronics without being monitored

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by us because it's just not smart.

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It's not good for their brain function.

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They lose the aspect of,

of learning on their own.

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And, you know, smartphones have made us

ultimately, in my opinion, smartphones

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have made us ultimately dumber.

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Um, I could tell you how many,

how many phone numbers of my best

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friends growing up in high school

or growing up in middle school.

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I could just spout off to you real quick.

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I couldn't tell you my adult son's

phone number or my adult daughter's

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phone number because I don't need to.

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I have a smartphone.

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It does that for me.

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So these phones are making us less

intelligent and more dependent upon them.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I have two, two threads

to pull on for you.

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So the first one is the pandemic's over.

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You're still homeschooling.

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So the first question that I have is what

has been your experience where, what,

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what have you gone through going through

the COVID and now you've come out of

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it, you, there's something that made you

decide we're going to stay with this.

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So what was that decision process?

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Like the decision was made Wade and I

both decided we talked about a lot of

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things that were going on politically.

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And, and ultimately the level of

education that the children are receiving

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in public school and the politics

surrounding the education nationally,

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the education program are the two things

that, that Wade and I decided we were

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just going to homeschool our kids.

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The homeschooling curriculum We

got to choose which curriculum

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our children got to go through.

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Were they going to go through

something super easy where they're

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not going to be challenged?

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Are they going to go through something

where they're going to be moderately

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challenged and can learn something?

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Are they going to go through something

that's really going to challenge them

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and make them truly learn something?

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So we were able to choose which

curriculum the kids were learning.

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And we chose at first to go through one

curriculum that was very, very difficult.

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It was very stringent and had a lot of

hands on, uh, parental grading processes.

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And then we decided to kind of dial it

back a little bit and go through one

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that's, that's a little easier, but

ultimately it was, it was what the schools

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here were teaching, which is just trash.

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It's just garbage.

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It's not worth it.

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the kids being able to go through

because it's not challenging and

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they're not really truly learning

anything and the political stance.

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So a little bit, I'd like to add

on that political just a bit.

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Um, not too long ago, one of our son's

friends, um, was going to a haunted

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house and he asked if he could have

permission to go to this haunted house

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with his friends, father and son.

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So, On the way out there, they realized

that the haunted house wasn't taking

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place that weekend, so rather than

taking a left, they took a right and

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ended up out of this kid's house.

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Well, after a while of our son and his

friend playing games in a game room,

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the other, son, um, got very upset

and disappeared for a long time and

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then had a breakdown, just meltdown.

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So the police, uh, ended up coming

to the home and brought our son home.

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And, and the police officer stated

that this child, his grandfather

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was there and his grandfather had

a medical emergency, all untrue.

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Grandfather doesn't even live in the

house, but because of the grandfather's,

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medical emergency, the son, uh,

needed to go to, um, the hospital.

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So the officer, police officer

decided to give our son a ride home.

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So what, what was, what we ended up

finding out was this son wasn't really

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a son, it was a daughter, and um, this

son played soccer with our son's friend.

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Nobody knew this boy was actually a

girl, and including our son's mother.

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Our son's friend's mother.

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So she had been allowing her son

to sleep over at this girl's house.

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And this girl had been coming in

his room and knew exactly what

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she was doing with her body parts.

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So, uh, it is complicated, but when

our son's friend's mother contacted the

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father and said, you need, why didn't

you let us know that you had a daughter?

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His response was, well, you didn't ask.

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So, she had no idea that her teenage son

was staying the night with this teenage

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girl, and they had been sleeping together.

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It's just, um, And when, when he,

when she stated your daughter,

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the father corrected her and said,

no, my son, no, no, she knows what

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she's doing with her body parts.

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This is not your son.

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Um, I'm sorry.

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So these are the things that we have to

endure as parents these days, where this

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girl is playing in boys soccer and leading

everybody to believe that she's a, and

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then there's all those other questions.

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Like now she's having a breakdown because.

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Our son's, our son's friend is giving,

his, him more attention than her.

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So she has a meltdown because

she's got an, an incorrect view of

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reality and has to go to Bartlett

hospital to deal with her trauma.

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And then the question comes up, well,

is this, is our son's friend gay?

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No, because this was a girl or the

question of, what if she gets angry and

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calls this rape that's been going on?

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So these are things that are, you

know, make me afraid for my children.

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Do I want to have my children

participate in, and this is

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something that really happened to us.

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And we're very protective.

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When you unleash them on the school

system, the school districts, and they let

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this altered reality, you know, explode.

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Like, I don't want our children

to have any contact with that.

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We, we ensure that our friends don't

participate in those mind games.

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And take advantage of our children.

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Wow.

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In a nutshell, that's kind of why we don't

let our children go to public school.

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That's why we continue to go to school.

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You want to have control over that, um,

protect them from some of the Psychosis?

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Yeah, I mean the indoctrination that's

really going on and where the state wants

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to control the Yeah, I call it what it is.

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It's psychosis.

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If you actually look at Merriam

Webster's definition of psychosis, it's

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believing that something isn't there.

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For example, people who hear voices in

their head, they call that psychosis.

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You are on a plane and somebody

starts getting sick and then everybody

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on the plane starts getting sick.

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That's mass psychosis.

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What is going on right now is,

is a country with mass psychosis.

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They are believing that they can our

children are being taught and and

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believing that they can be if you are

genetically born a boy That you can't

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change to be a girl or vice versa If

you are genetically born a girl that

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you can't change to become a boy and

they are teaching that and allowing

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that in our school systems two years

ago in:

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2023 the elementary school You that

our children would have been going to.

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They had a massive party for an eight

year old who has these, who had at

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the time decided that they were now,

instead of being a boy, they were

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a girl, and they had a coming out

transgendered party at the school

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without the parents knowing about it.

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I don't want my children to be in I

don't want them to be subjected to that.

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Mm-hmm . It's pretty, it's pretty scary.

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Yeah.

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What, um, what, what has been

the experience been like then?

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This is, this is for Tristan then, right?

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Um mm-hmm . In terms of being involved

in activities and being, he's going

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at some point going to be interacting

with people who are still maybe old

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friends that are in public school.

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So how did, yeah.

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So that's a, I mean, he's got

a, that's a lot to process.

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It's one thing to say, Hey,

we're going to homeschool.

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It's another thing to say, well, they

still have to be able to interact.

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Right.

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He has friends that he plays with.

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Um, we're more recently, one of the

local gyms where he takes karate has

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decided that there was a gentleman who

was in the locker room who decided that

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he was getting looked at oddly when

he was putting on his dress after, you

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know, and They allowed him to start

using the women's locker room and that

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caused a backlash in the community.

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But, you know, if my children who

are minors are going to that gym

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and they're using that locker room

for karate, that's not allowable.

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Like I will not allow, I will not subject

my children to going into a locker

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room with an adult of the opposite

gender because they feel uncomfortable.

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So the gym decided to have, you know,

unisex restrooms that they could, their

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locker room where they can change it.

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But I don't think that'll be enough

because, which, which begs the

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question, what is the agenda of the

individual to begin with to go into

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the alternate genders locker room?

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Like, will, will they become

upset because they can't be

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in the locker room with them?

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People of the opposite sex.

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But to more directly answer

the question, what do we do?

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For socialization, our children

are in a karate class that takes

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place two days a week, Tuesdays

and Thursdays, for two hours.

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The karate class, it's not

your, your normal karate class.

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They, they have less students, but

they have more diverse students.

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It's not just children, it's children

and adults, but they have an age cutoff.

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So the youngest you can be in

there without having an older

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sibling is eight years old.

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So they have, they have that interaction.

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Tristan also is involved pretty heavily

in his boy scouts, the local boy scouts.

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Here in Juneau, his particular

troop is led by a former Marine.

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So we're, we're pretty, we're

pretty positive that he's going

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to have, and we know he's going

to have a good experience there.

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He's been.

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in that social group for

a couple of months now.

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He's gone camping.

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He's done a couple of different other

social events, done the popcorn.

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But you know, one thing that I,

I have found that with the, the

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homeschooling is, is the socialization.

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You have to get the kids

into those social groups.

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For a while we had a pod, a homeschooling

pod that was teaching here in Juneau

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just a couple blocks away where

there were other children of all

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different ages that you could go there.

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The unfortunate part of that is

our homeschooling allotment did

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not assist with the payments and

the payments were pretty hefty.

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So we decided to, to no longer

have them as part of the pod,

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but we're still friends with the

people that we met in the pod.

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So they still have, have

that, that social connection.

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Yeah.

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And I'm finding that our children are

a little bit more diverse with the

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age groups that they can associate

with because of being homeschooled.

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You know, Senna is one of her, her good

friends is now Senna's 11, almost 12.

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And one of her good

friends just turned nine.

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So she's able to associate with

younger girls and still have that,

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that female connection with them.

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But she also has a set of twins who

are 12 who, so they're about six

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or eight months older than Senna.

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And then she has another little friend

who she met from the homeschooling

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pod who just turned nine, literally

like last Sunday, just turned nine.

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You And they come over and they have

spend the nights with each other.

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And they do, you know, all

kinds of really fun girl things.

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But I think with homeschooling, if

you're going to have new kids, it's

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important that you get them out into

the socialization, because that's

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a huge part of going to public

school, is that socialization.

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Learning how to open up.

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Make a friend, be a friend, keep a friend

and how to talk to people and how to

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associate not how to This is my way.

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I'm going to do it this way and this

is how we're going to play but learning

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how to Be able to communicate with

your friends and play Interactively

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and sometimes we do it my way.

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Sometimes we do it your way And

sometimes we play what I want to play and

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sometimes we play what you want to play.

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Yeah, you'll and oh, Sorry,

I thought you were done.

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Go ahead I was going to say, and,

and, and one of the things that

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I've tried to get Senate into is,

is a group called Girls on the Run

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that is open to not just homeschool

children, but also public school girls.

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And it's just for girls.

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There's just girls in it because

it's all about being mentored

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by the running team leader.

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And the running team leader is usually

somebody who's part of our Rotary Club.

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So not only are they being introduced

to female camaraderie, but it's also,

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you know, part of the rotary and

you're in a group of girls that range

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from five years old to 18 who are

in school of some manner of fashion.

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And then you're running Nate, your,

your team leader for the running.

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Yeah.

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I, I think that, I mean, it's

critical where you're talking

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about being exposed to other ages,

our experience with our kids.

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Cause ours are.

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Are older now because they're 17 to 22

Is that because they were with tolly

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all the time they were interacting with

adults They were interacting with kids.

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They were of all ages that they can hold a

conversation with just about anybody in a

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very courteous manner a very mature manner

and I my opinion is that public schools.

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It's very unnatural That you put kids only

with other kids of the same age and The,

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the idea that socialization is a problem

with homeschooling is exactly opposite.

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That's my opinion.

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I think it actually, they do harm

to the kids by, by doing that.

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But I mean, let's, I would like to go

a little bit on the, the Alaska and

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how you guys chose your curriculum.

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Because one of the things that I

find really interesting is you, this

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whole Homebridge program, it, it

seems to me that, that Alaska is a

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Just an awesome place to homeschool.

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It just feels that the

support you have to, to go.

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And then Wade, later, I'll ask

you about sovereign education.

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Cause I know that's a phrase you

like, but, um, so can you just

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help the help others understand,

we didn't know about it, that just

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the, the, the way the homeschooling

works, every state is different.

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Can you guys touch on that?

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Because I think it's a,

it's a really cool thing.

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And if I could take the lead.

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So, Alaska constitutionally, um, the

Alaska Constitution states that we'll

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have a robust public school system.

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So, it's mandatory that the

state will provide it, no matter

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what, um, federal decisions come

about regarding, uh, education.

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So, um, the public school system's

not going away in this state.

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The, uh, but during COVID, they

couldn't figure out how to, um, Help

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people with the homeschooling process.

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And I think that's when

Home Bridge was constructed.

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Maybe it's been around a while, but

the, but the way it works is you're

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given an allotment as a parent per

child, to, um, decide on your own

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curriculum and you have a bridge home.

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Bridge your bridge to the public school

system so I can homeschool my kids.

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But they still have access to the um,

school library, or school sports, or just,

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they can take a class in the school, they

can show up for a fifth period, and take

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whatever class is offered in the school,

whereas they're still homeschooling.

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So, you end up with this

uh, hybrid education system.

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And while you do that,

you can also get paid.

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You can also pay for a training outside

of the normal school curriculum be it

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If they want to go skiing in the winter

time that can be part of their pe class

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so they can get season passes Or karate's

covered or boy scout expenses not the

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gear, but the you know, the expense of

boy scouts can be covered Maybe a local

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gym um karate uh swimming ceramics at a

local pottery um store or Or be it, you

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know what we've been talking about with

education and um Uh, Austrian economics.

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So it opens the door to, you can

still have the socialization, but not

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mandatorily go to the full curriculum

in the school you are abridged in that

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regard, most of the people are either

more one than the other being that

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if you're involved in home bridge,

you're going to be homeschooling more

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than you might go for, you know, to

be on the swim team or something,

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but it really opens the door for.

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Me as a parent to say, Hey, um, this

gentleman, um, with this photography

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company would like to teach photography

and I can pay him through the school

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to teach our child photography.

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And, and therefore we get to focus the

education that our child receives based

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off of what we believe their interests

are rather than the limitations that

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the kids have in the public school.

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Like these are your three options.

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Instead, these are all of your options.

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You know, your 14 year old wants

to learn auto mechanics, but

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there's no auto mechanics course.

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Well, why don't they go work with

a local mechanic and learn basic

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automotive at a shop that wants to

do a two hour class in the evenings?

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You can do that.

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That's so cool.

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I wish, I wish we would have had

something to help us with that.

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When we lived in Iowa, there was

something, I guess, a little bit similar.

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So Homeschoolers got half of the

stipend that public school kids

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did, but they didn't give it

back to the families themselves.

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They pooled the resources together, and

then they, they built a community center

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for homeschoolers, a library, and all the

activities took place in that building.

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And any homeschooler can go

and sign up for any class.

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And, but we didn't get the stipend.

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To receive the money and do it elsewhere.

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It had to be at their center But it's

something similar like we're paying

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we're paying tax dollars anyway And it

was so painful to have to pay everything

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out of pocket When we see our public

school You know friends who just get

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like receive resources, you know Well,

they yeah it you're paying for that.

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We're all paying for that and then

they're they're controlling they're

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giving it to you They're doing a

poor job of what they are teaching.

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And then you have all the other

stuff we just talked about.

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So it's, it's like salt in the

wound, but every state can do it.

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And so what's, what's motivating

is people standing up.

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And I think the, the idea that the

homeschooling movement is increasing

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should put more pressure on the, the

state and local types of educational

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systems, depending on where you are.

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To pursue those types of options.

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I think the longterm solution is just

to take away all their money and that

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the parents just keep the money and

decide for themselves where it goes.

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But short of that, if they're going

to take it anyways, in terms of

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property taxes or other things, I

think it's better to have it, at

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least some of it go back to those who

can, who can decide best what to do.

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Um, Yeah.

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So I think it's pretty cool.

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You guys, I mean, photography, karate,

swimming, you guys have already

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named some of the, the things that

you're working into your curriculum

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that may not be part of a normal

public school type of curriculum.

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And I think that's one

of the huge upsides too.

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Well, I mean, the other thing also is

there's a, I believe very arbitrary age

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requirement for a lot of these topics.

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So when I was going through

school, economics wasn't wasn't

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even an option until you were a

junior or senior in high school.

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Whereas if you feel like your child

is ready to learn about it, you

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can start that in middle school.

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So the parents get to gauge when the child

is ready, not an arbitrary age system.

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And I think that's huge because

you, if you see a child who's

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able to start economic training or

lessons from middle school, imagine

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what they're able to understand by

the time they're in high school.

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Versus just starting as a beginner

then because somebody dictated

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that that's the only time they're

ready for it, you know How are you?

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How are you teaching the the

money concepts and Bitcoin?

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Just kind of because you're both bit

corners, right you guys go to conferences

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and for that for the audience just so

you know They're very very active We're

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gonna get into this a little bit later.

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But mm hmm.

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Yeah, how do you guys

teach money in Bitcoin?

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Tristan just kind of He's absorbed a

lot via the meetups that we have and

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just one on one discussions with him.

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So so he gets it

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Senna she gets it a little bit

better I think because she'll ask

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us to put her money She'll go shovel

driveways and give us her cash

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and say put this in the Bitcoin.

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Oh nice When she she puts it above

candy at the corner store Yes, so uh

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They haven't had any formal education

yet, but enduring 15 people who are

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Bitcoiners here at the house, and having

conversations routinely, and enduring

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the, the content, be it Rustin with

Simply, or, um, you know, watching

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Sailor videos, eventually some, you know,

it breaks through even a small child.

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On the note of what Talia said, the, uh,

The fact that I just, I just thought of

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a question like, so if kids aren't able

to earn, learn economics until junior

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or senior year, maybe that has to do

with the fact that you have to have an

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understanding of algebra to understand

the denominator that exists in the modern,

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modern monetary theory, because it's

a variable rather than a fixed number.

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That's the denominator.

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I don't just, that comes to mind.

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I think they decide they like to make

it more complicated than it needs to

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be because then you or everyone become

more reliant on the quote unquote

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experts to tell them what's going on.

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Right?

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So Paul Krugman tells you that

the economy is really good, even

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though you can't pay for your

groceries or the heat for your house.

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Right?

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So, um, I think it's, I think

we drastically overcomplicate

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what economics is, which is

why I love Austrian economics.

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And the second thing to Tali's point.

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We, as a society, we have these, these

ideas that kids can't learn things until

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a certain age, and that's not true.

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Kids can learn an amazing amount.

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They, they actually like to learn.

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And if you expose it to them,

they will pick it up really fast.

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At least that's.

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, that's what we've experienced.

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And you can teach a 6-year-old

Spanish real easily.

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Mm-hmm . Why can't you

teach 'em economics, right?

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Yeah.

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You can.

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Or at least the basics of, right?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So, uh, and you, and you guys bring

your kids to conferences, right?

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You guys, uh, did they, didn't

they come out to Nashville and

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you have the whole gang out there?

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My older, my two older children.

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Well, my older daughter And her husband

came out to the nashville, but no the kids

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were left at home Uh well cared for While

we were gone my older son who's 28 He

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was here as a backup and we had a friend

staying with them The whole time we were

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gone, but no the littles didn't come out.

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They didn't come out for that But

they're going to your meetups and they're

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certainly hearing mom and dad talk

about things You And do they do so, so

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Wade, you, you participate in the meet

premier Bitcoin as a, you're a full

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node or you can sort of a light node.

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Okay.

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So like the 11th light node, one of the

earlier ones, but, um, being with all

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the activities, um, Bitcoin veterans and

everything we did in Nashville and then

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the, uh, event this year, this next year.

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Yeah.

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I've been lacking with that, but at

the same time, we're still holding

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meetups here in Juneau and I still

teach the curriculum here locally.

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So we still utilize the content.

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Well, I've initially, when I became

a light note, I had version one of

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the textbooks printed up and I've got

a whole, a couple of boxes of them.

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And then, uh, we just pass those out to

people, you know, who are curious and,

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and don't really want to come to a meetup

or we utilize those textbooks there.

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I spent the extra money

and got hardback books.

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So they're, they're durable.

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And, uh, we'll just go over

them in classes here or

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you don't have the content.

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So, right.

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Your kids are watching though.

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They, even if you don't put the diploma

in their hands and say, read this,

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they're seeing where you put your time.

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They're probably hearing some of your

conversations on podcasts or video

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that you're watching, you know, they,

they know they're going to pick up

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on what mom and dad are working on.

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So, all right, wait, I gotta put

you on the spot a little bit.

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So, uh, you used a phrase the other

day, uh, we were talking about

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the Alaska, Bitcoin conference.

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That, uh, I assume that's,

that's out in the, in the wild

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and everybody can know about it.

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So, uh, if not, we'll cut that out.

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But, um, used a phrase, uh, sovereign, we

were talking about sovereign education.

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And, and so, um, what

does that mean to you?

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Like, cause as a Bitcoiner and

a homeschooler, I constantly am

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thinking of all these things.

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I didn't use that phrase before we talked.

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Um, but what does it,

what does it mean to you?

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What does that phrase mean?

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The, the idea, the idea behind it

was initially, I have friends here

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in Alaska who are native Alaskan

and they're very proud people.

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And trying to get them involved

in the Bitcoin movement.

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So they understand it better.

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They, they express that they're

sovereign people all the time.

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Everything they do is they are a

sovereign people, but they don't

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realize that under the current

financial system, they're not sovereign.

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They're not a sovereign individual.

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They, they are just, they're incorporated.

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They, they play fiat games.

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They have a fiat mindset.

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They get benefits from

the federal government.

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That's the money printer.

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So it's hard for them because they receive

benefits from the money printer directly.

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They don't have control

over the financial life.

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Now, um, same can be said

for sovereign education.

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If you are under the umbrella of

the public school system, are you a

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sovereign, um, are you providing a

sovereign education to your children?

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To be.

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A sovereign education to me would be

where the parents get to choose and, you

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know, also get the input of the child

to figure out what their needs are for

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education and what their interests are.

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Trying to force something down

a kid's throat that they're

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not ready to learn yet.

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Um, when they're ready to learn

something else, you're just missing

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an opportunity by trying to force feed

something that they don't like when

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they have an opportunity elsewhere.

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So sovereign education is just

empowering the parents to decide

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on the education, the direction

of the education of the child.

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Yeah, I love it.

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We'll add it to our phrases

like self custody education and

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separation of education and stay.

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We're going to put that

one right up there.

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Sovereign.

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I'm going to ask a question for

parents who are still just considering

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homeschooling and a little bit

intimidated by the entire process.

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What would you say was the hardest

challenge you had to overcome over

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the last four years homeschooling?

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The stigma of homeschooling versus

sending the children to public school.

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Honestly, I mean, for me, as, as a

full time working parent, because I

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work full time outside of the home.

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Wade works full time outside of the home.

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And yet we homeschool our children.

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How?

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We're not home, but we are.

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We're able to do this because of the

type of curriculums that we've chosen.

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We've chosen curriculums

that are online videos.

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That great as you go, if the

children have questions, they

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have the ability to contact their

homeschooling teacher, which while

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it's me in this case, wouldn't be me.

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They have open access to go to the

home bridge, actual physical site.

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And because we live like three blocks

away from that particular school,

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they can walk there, they can ride

their bikes there, they can go

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together, they can go individually.

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But they can go, and they don't

have to have an appointment.

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They can go to the Homebridge site

and they can say, Hey, because

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they all know who the kids are.

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They're like, Hey, we need to, we

have some help on, we need some help

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on this particular subject with this.

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They've got their laptops

in their backpacks.

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They sit down with the teacher.

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The teacher can plug them in, access

the internet, and the teacher there

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can actually physically help them.

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That's what I love about Alaska at least

Southeast Alaska's home bridge program

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is while it is homeschool, they still

have the ability to go to the site and

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ask for that help and get those tutoring.

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They do tutoring at the public libraries.

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We have three, they have a downtown

library, they have a library in

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Douglas and they have a library in

the valley, which is where we live.

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And if they need some special tutoring.

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They can go to the library and

do the tutoring there as well.

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They also do game days and chess days.

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So it was just mostly the stigma of

homeschooling being working parents.

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To expand on that, some states also have

a mandatory or minimum age where you can

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leave your children at home and attend it.

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Alaska doesn't have that.

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No.

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If you leave your child at home and the

house burns down, yeah, you're going to

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get a a citation of some sort, you know,

Office of Children's Services is going to

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come with some pretty intense questions.

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Um, if you are a responsible parent

with responsible children, you have

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more latitude if you trust them.

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Fortunately, we trust our children.

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We also have a home video system

that covers pretty much the

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entire house, so we can dial in.

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We have a home phone landline, so

they're not exposed electronically,

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but they have a means of

reaching out if there's an issue.

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And if the phone goes out, we can reach

them by screaming through the camera

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system or setting off a siren remotely.

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So they do their

schoolwork during the day.

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And then when we come home at

night, sometimes it can be a task.

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And if we have to go over their

homework and, and have those difficult

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conversations that where the children

aren't doing their homework, but.

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Also, the benefit, one of the benefits

of this is, with the curriculum they're

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currently in, if they don't do all of

the assignment, it gets reassigned.

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So there are no zeros

in the school system.

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There are no lazy, I don't like that

project, I don't like that assignment.

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Um, I, I, I had a few of those in

high school where I just didn't

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want to do the assignment, you know.

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Um, but they don't have that

latitude, so they actually have

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to work through the problem.

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I love that you literally just broke

that expectation of you must be a one

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income family in order to homeschool.

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You have to have a full time mom

at home in order to homeschool.

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And you just explained that away

beautifully, that it's possible.

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Now some people might say,

well, I live in a state where I

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don't have that kind of support.

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My kids can't go down

the block and get help.

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What would you say to those people?

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Uh, lobby your government.

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Um, there's, there's not a lot of options.

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You have to find somebody in

that case to watch your children.

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If we were in Arkansas,

I think the age is 14.

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We couldn't do this.

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:

Um, and, and in the home homes in

the, uh, sorry, the Bitcoin world, we

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always talk about location arbitrage.

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Yes.

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The reason maybe you should consider

relocating to a different state that's

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friendlier towards homeschooling parents

But with the financial system, the only

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reason that two incomes are required

to support um to allow people to have

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a sovereign education is due to the

fact we have inflation and Pretty soon.

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It's gonna we're gonna have

to have multi family homes.

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Mm hmm.

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Oh To support the home.

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:

Yeah, so So you have to break

the paradise somehow Oh, I like

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the I like what you said though.

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I you you So we've talked to people

who were in germany where it's illegal

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and they just they voted with their

feet and they They moved Within the

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united states it is we have much more

flexibility In terms of that it's it's

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easier I'm, not saying it's easy to

find a job I'm, not going to say that

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because it depends your circumstance

that can actually be pretty challenging.

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However Comparatively to

other places in the world.

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If you want to move to one state or away

from another state, you can do that.

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:

I mean, people already, they're already

leaving the, you know, the, the, the

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:

coast and they're going to places like

Tennessee and, and, and, and Texas.

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And then even within a state, you can,

one county or another might be different.

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And so if you are working

remotely, man, now.

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The world's your oyster.

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You can kind of, you kind of

pick and choose where you go.

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So I think that's a long term play.

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:

The, uh, the other thing that I'll tell

you about my mind is you can still,

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:

even if you were in a circumstance

where you had to, your kids still

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have to go to public school, you

still have them at night, you still

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have them on the weekends, you still

have them when you're driving to and

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:

from sports events and drama events

and whatever and whatever else.

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And so it's, it's a matter of

as best you can to be present.

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Uh, with, with them, and so.

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:

Also I want to say that it varies, the

regulations vary hugely state by state.

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So we live in Kentucky, and

it's not as strict as Ohio,

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which is a bordering state.

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But Indiana is even more relaxed

than Kentucky, and they're

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also a bordering state to Ohio.

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So in terms of just the law about

letting your kids be on their own

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at home, we had a neighbor years

ago who got in trouble because.

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Her son was sick.

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She drove into the pharmacy before the

time of the drive through, you know,

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which we have every single pharmacy has it

now, but not before, not a long time ago.

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Anyway, she got in trouble because she

left her son who was not feeling well

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in the car while she went in and got

the medicine and somebody called the

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police and she had to go to court to

explain why she left her son in the car.

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And he was nine years old.

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:

And you know, you have those kinds

of situations where she's like, Oh my

683

:

God, I can't ever leave them alone.

684

:

You know, it's It's this whole

assumption of kids are completely

685

:

defenseless and parents are ultimately

responsible for absolutely everything.

686

:

Well, it's a control thing too.

687

:

It is a control thing.

688

:

And Ohio also requires that, um, that the

school system, either your child takes

689

:

a standardized test or the portfolio has

to be reviewed by a licensed teacher in

690

:

order for you to continue to homeschool.

691

:

So that's Ohio state thing.

692

:

So if somebody is thinking about

homeschooling and you're wondering what

693

:

your choices are in terms, if you're

willing to relocate, uh, the best place

694

:

I can think of to go to is the homeschool

defense league website, which we'll

695

:

put in the show notes and just click

around and just see how the states vary

696

:

in the regulations before you decide

what your, all of your options are.

697

:

Right.

698

:

But I think it's a really

important thing to consider.

699

:

If you feel like you're, you have

to take a certain job because of

700

:

the circumstances, but it's a, this

is a low time preference thing,

701

:

deciding where you're going to live.

702

:

Maybe you can't change that in one

year, but you could probably change

703

:

that in two years or three years.

704

:

And kids are very resilient.

705

:

And so I think this,

uh, what'd you call it?

706

:

Geographic arbitrage is that,

uh, is that what you said?

707

:

Um, I think that's a, that's a real.

708

:

That's a real thing to consider.

709

:

Um, if the parents are in sync with

each other, that's, that's great.

710

:

If you, uh, disagree about moving

because you're close to family or

711

:

there's some other circumstance

that could get complicated.

712

:

Uh, so I'm not trying to say it's

easy, but it is, it is an option.

713

:

I guess it's a matter of

what your priorities are.

714

:

If, if my priority is, you

know, out fishing halibut, I'm

715

:

not going to move to Arizona.

716

:

So, so every product applies

to every aspect of your life.

717

:

It just, if education's up there towards

the top for your children, um, you

718

:

probably don't want to be in a heavily

indoctrinated socialist style school

719

:

system that doesn't allow for competition.

720

:

Right, right.

721

:

So I have a question.

722

:

This is you, do you guys intend to then

do the whole, the homeschooling all

723

:

the way through the high school years?

724

:

We're open.

725

:

Um, it depends on what the future

of the education system is.

726

:

If, if the public school system here

continues to go down the route that it has

727

:

been going regarding, um, circumstances

or issues that we don't allow for,

728

:

that we're not going to participate in.

729

:

Yes, we'll homeschool throughout.

730

:

If they decide that maybe they made

some mistakes and they're willing

731

:

to roll back some of their policies.

732

:

and inform parents of the things that

they're doing with their children

733

:

at the schools, then we consider it.

734

:

And, you know, I, I don't know where, what

the future holds, but I do believe that

735

:

there may be possibilities coming where,

where parents will have, will, where

736

:

parents will be recognized as parents

again, because right now they're not.

737

:

The parent has a constitutional right

to their children, The school system

738

:

does not have a constitutional right to

your children Legislators don't have a

739

:

constitutional right to their children.

740

:

They will They may yell about These

are not your children But these are

741

:

your children and and no matter what

they might scream from a podium.

742

:

So I guess it depends on where we go

politically Yeah The hope is that the

743

:

more of the funds will be given from the

federal government to the state and the

744

:

state will be able to Will be able to

drive the education through the state

745

:

versus having these national standards.

746

:

Mm hmm.

747

:

Oh, yeah Yeah, so the the the program that

is that we talked about at first the home

748

:

Ridge that That's going to stay there.

749

:

Is there any risk politically that they

they try to pull that now that it's

750

:

post Pandemic or there is the um, they

tried to Put the kibosh on that last

751

:

year through the legislature they uh the

issue was The funds can't be utilized

752

:

for um Forget exactly what the What

the issue was, but they tried to quash

753

:

it and it they fortunately they failed

but it had to do with Especially if

754

:

you are sending your kid to anything

that might have anything having to

755

:

do with some faith based education.

756

:

Um, you, they, well, okay, going

down all the weeds a little bit.

757

:

So, I wanted to enroll the

kids in a private school system

758

:

that is here local to Juneau.

759

:

And it's faith based, but that's the

only private school option there is.

760

:

So, I wanted to utilize Homebridge

funds for that, but the school

761

:

district refused to allow for that.

762

:

So I did some research and found that

Love, wait no, sorry, it was a case

763

:

in Maine, I believe, where the, the

school system was disallowed from, it

764

:

just went all the way to the Supreme

Court, was disallowed from regulating

765

:

funds going to a faith based school, um,

based off of, um, it being religious.

766

:

So, Since they lost, I contacted the, uh,

er, er, since, um, the school district

767

:

lost, I was able to reach out to the,

uh, Assistant Attorney General here

768

:

in Alaska and asked if they were going

to recognize, you know, this school as

769

:

being allowable to receive funds through

Homebridge, because Homebridge had already

770

:

told me that they would not allow for it.

771

:

They said yes, they, they, they

see the decision as absolute, and,

772

:

you know, their stance is that This

um, religious school, faith based

773

:

school should be able to get funds.

774

:

So I reached back out to, I reached out

to the department education commissioner.

775

:

Just go with it.

776

:

They won't even have the conversation.

777

:

They won't allow for the funding.

778

:

They just, they don't recognize

what the assistant attorney general

779

:

for the state of Alaska stands is.

780

:

So.

781

:

It's.

782

:

And then now with the, uh.

783

:

They want to move all the

funds back from homeschool back

784

:

into the public school system.

785

:

There's a huge lobby from the education

union to push the kids back into school

786

:

because they're losing their funds.

787

:

They get some I don't know.

788

:

It's some ungodly 17, 000

per child or something.

789

:

Whereas we educate our kids for

under 3, 000 a child annually.

790

:

So, so it's, it's much less expensive

for the state, but they stopped losing

791

:

the, they start losing the benefits

of their monopoly on education.

792

:

Yeah.

793

:

We want to keep that monopoly.

794

:

Yeah, that's a, that's a fight

we have to keep, keep battling.

795

:

And I think this is Across the

board, in every industry, the, the

796

:

swamp is going to fight back, right?

797

:

Every industry, whether it's the food,

the medical, the higher education,

798

:

every industry is going to fight back.

799

:

And all their different players, the

NGOs, the unions, they're not going

800

:

to want to give up their gravy train.

801

:

Um, and making an argument about what's

actually best for the kid or what's

802

:

actually efficient and, and where you

can say, I can do this for one fifth

803

:

of the costs or one sixth of the cost.

804

:

That doesn't matter because the

framework that they're coming at

805

:

from is they're losing their power.

806

:

So they'll make the argument somehow

it's for the kids or something.

807

:

So I think that if parents like you don't

stand up, then, then we're going to lose.

808

:

Because they have a lot of incentive

to keep pushing like that and

809

:

it's hard to fight and they're

going to fight harder and harder.

810

:

I, I think they're going to continue to

fight at a new intensity now that they're

811

:

being threatened across the board with

all the recent things going on this year.

812

:

So, so I've, I've, when we were

first starting to educate people

813

:

in the community about Bitcoin,

um, all these people have different

814

:

topics that they like to address.

815

:

And, and I support their, their

battles or individual fights, but.

816

:

There's a lot of people who are fighting

those individual fights who don't

817

:

understand what the, or don't recognize

the, uh, how to win the game overall.

818

:

And if you want to win this

game, you stop fighting.

819

:

You don't stop fighting the individual

fights because in the short term,

820

:

you need to win those little battles.

821

:

Um, but in the longterm, you need to

understand the money is the problem.

822

:

If the federal government can no

longer print money from nothing, you

823

:

end up with What I like to refer to as

the parasitic symbiotic relationship

824

:

between a, um, elected official,

um, and a special interest group.

825

:

So, so the, the federal government

funds whatever this entity is, and

826

:

the entity takes those funds and

they distribute it how they see fit,

827

:

but they also roll those funds back

into the election of the individual.

828

:

So you end up with this parasite sucking

off, uh, but yet feeding a little bit

829

:

of, um, Heroin back into the elected.

830

:

Yeah, exactly.

831

:

Yeah.

832

:

And so if you want to resolve the issue

with the Department of Education or anyone

833

:

else, you have to address the money.

834

:

And once the money is fixed,

that somebody, that parasitic

835

:

relationship goes away.

836

:

So in the end, we need to focus

on, you know, we need to win the

837

:

battle for the children today

because they're in school right now.

838

:

But how, where are you

going to put your energy?

839

:

Well, you need to put your

energy in both places.

840

:

And a lot of people just, they

like to fight these little

841

:

battles without understanding

how to win the, the entire fight.

842

:

The money is the fight and they don't,

a lot of people don't recognize that.

843

:

So, um, that's the direction

I try to move people.

844

:

A little fights.

845

:

Um, uh, if we, if you realize there's

other people who have a The, they may not

846

:

understand the money part as the cause,

but they can still help us on the way.

847

:

Right?

848

:

So when the father in Loudoun County,

Virginia is fighting because his daughter

849

:

was raped because of the school trying

to cover up the boy in the bathroom and

850

:

the girl's bathroom type of thing, and he

gets labeled by DOJ as a terrorist, right?

851

:

I mean, you have to, you

have to start fighting that.

852

:

I heard an interview, I

think it was a month ago.

853

:

It was a.

854

:

It was a French teacher, I forget what

state, and, um, it was calling somebody by

855

:

the wrong pronoun, basically, because he

got fired for it, right, and he eventually

856

:

had to, he eventually won his, his case.

857

:

And so, I think if the, the people who

are aligned with the state, in whatever

858

:

facet that is, it's the industries,

it's the unions, it's the NGOs, it's

859

:

the whoever, um, it's We, we all have

to be fighting those little battles.

860

:

I do think, I mean, the money

might be the big ultimate thing.

861

:

That's allowing them to continue to,

um, to grow and keep their power.

862

:

Um, but in the meantime, if, if the, if

the people who support the state separate

863

:

us and they don't, and we parents don't

realize you do have the defense league,

864

:

you do have their parents to go to.

865

:

You do have, you're not helpless.

866

:

You can take action.

867

:

You can go to a different state.

868

:

Like we talked about, you,

you can fight in court.

869

:

You can do you, there's, there may be a

thousand little things that you can do,

870

:

but I like to encourage people that, yeah,

the money is the big, the big problem.

871

:

And sometimes people are, they're

just focused on that thing.

872

:

That's right in front

of their face, right?

873

:

If you're, if you're again, like the

Loudoun County example, if you're,

874

:

if your daughter is being exposed

to that, that's an immediate danger.

875

:

Immediate danger.

876

:

There's no way in hell.

877

:

I'm not fighting.

878

:

Like, I mean, I don't, I'm

not going to wait 20 years.

879

:

Um, and have my, my kids exposed to that

kind of danger while I, while I wait.

880

:

Um, I think part of my, I think my

point is though, it's they don't, they

881

:

don't realize that you you're not alone.

882

:

Like they, they try to isolate

you intentionally and scare you.

883

:

And you're threatened with cancellation.

884

:

You're threatened with losing your job.

885

:

You're threatened with

whatever fill in the blank.

886

:

They can threaten you with But

some things are worth fighting for

887

:

We all have different roles to play

Because we all come in with different

888

:

passions and different interests and

different reasons for doing what we do So

889

:

wade the fact that you're willing and know

how to look up legislator Legislation from

890

:

a different state to support your claim.

891

:

That's amazing Not everybody

knows how to do that.

892

:

Not everybody has the skills or

even know enough to question that

893

:

But they have other things that

they can do Make a difference in.

894

:

And so I think it's just important

for us to recognize that we all

895

:

have a different role to play.

896

:

You do what you can do and

collectively we will make waves.

897

:

Yeah.

898

:

Yeah.

899

:

Not everybody would even have the

knowledge to, to think of that.

900

:

I wouldn't have thought of it,

let alone the courage to go

901

:

ahead and move forward with it.

902

:

So I mean, you're, you

are fighting, right?

903

:

I mean, you are fighting,

even though we know that the

904

:

root causes the money, right?

905

:

Yeah.

906

:

Wow.

907

:

Yeah.

908

:

There's so many, so many good things.

909

:

I just, I'm just so encouraged

though, it makes me really bullish

910

:

to hear what's going on in Alaska.

911

:

I don't like to hear what's going on

in this, in the public school system

912

:

that you're describing, but that's

happening in a lot of different places.

913

:

That's happening across the board

and to see a program where maybe

914

:

it doesn't eliminate all the money,

all the taxes that are being taken

915

:

and, or tax money that's given back

to the school district or unions.

916

:

Homebridge is a pretty positive thing.

917

:

What you guys described or what you guys

have is a lot better than let's say, if

918

:

you're in Ohio or California or, you know,

other, other places, New York, Virginia.

919

:

So I'm just really optimistic to

hear about, to hear your story.

920

:

I think it's inspiring and maybe

somebody in those other States that

921

:

can't move can use Alaska as an example.

922

:

To try to make a

difference in their state.

923

:

Yeah, exactly.

924

:

Right.

925

:

I mean, um, so before we wrap up, I

thought I'd ask you to share a pro wisdom

926

:

from the, from the last four years.

927

:

What would you say to new homeschoolers

to encourage them to continue the fight

928

:

because there are some days I know

for every homeschooling family, we

929

:

have the question, should we continue?

930

:

Can I continue to do this?

931

:

So what would you say to those people?

932

:

I would just tell any parent who's

homeschooling and questioning, am I

933

:

doing the right thing by homeschooling?

934

:

Yes, you are doing the right

thing by homeschooling.

935

:

I think that depending on the

state that you're in, all I

936

:

can speak on really is Alaska.

937

:

Based on the Alaska's education, having

two older kids that have gone through it,

938

:

and then having our two littles that are

going through it, the level of education.

939

:

That the younger kids are getting versus

what the older kids got It's just a

940

:

better because we're able to choose the

curriculum that the littler ones are going

941

:

through It's just a better curriculum.

942

:

It's It focuses on their strengths.

943

:

It brings their weaknesses

up to strengths.

944

:

They're able to learn at their pace

and honestly tristan's almost done

945

:

with his eighth grade year if If he

was He's doing more time, utilizing

946

:

more time, you know, time management.

947

:

We're still learning.

948

:

Um, if he could do a little bit

better time management, he'd be

949

:

done with his, his eighth grade

year and could be starting on

950

:

ninth grade already by Christmas.

951

:

Yeah.

952

:

He usually is done with the school

year by December or January.

953

:

Yeah.

954

:

So then after that, do you just give

him free reign to study whatever

955

:

he wants for the rest of the year?

956

:

Um, yes and no.

957

:

We have the ability to

choose other classes.

958

:

We've talked with his Homebridge

teacher, and his Homebridge teacher

959

:

doesn't want him to start ninth grade

because that is technically high school.

960

:

He doesn't want him to start all

the courses through ninth grade,

961

:

but we can give him electives.

962

:

He can actually take college

classes with his allotment.

963

:

So if we wanted to put him through, for

example, a higher level math class, we

964

:

could do that through the college as

opposed to signing him up for ninth grade.

965

:

Or we could choose to do a

different curriculum for the

966

:

next four months or five months.

967

:

So instead of going through right

now, we're going through a cellist.

968

:

Instead of doing that, we could

choose to put him through like

969

:

Calvert Academy for mathematics.

970

:

He likes math and is fairly good in

math or, you know, pick a, another, uh,

971

:

geography class for him to take through

Khan Academy, which Khan Academy is

972

:

free, but it's still something that is

accredited through the school district.

973

:

In Alaska.

974

:

Okay.

975

:

Well, back to your point though, Talia on

that, um, the mandatory age for a class.

976

:

I find this, this one of the weaknesses

that still exists with, um, Homebridge

977

:

is that as he's 8th grade rolling into

9th grade next year, he, uh, if he takes

978

:

classes that could be accredited, he

could earn credits for in 9th grade.

979

:

If he takes them now, he will

not earn credit for them,

980

:

even though he completes them.

981

:

So, we're having to hold him back

right now rather than advance

982

:

him so that he doesn't end up

in a very difficult um, point.

983

:

in the future where he

struggles with graduation.

984

:

So there is still that weakness, uh,

that, that fine line where they have

985

:

segregated junior high from high

school, which they shouldn't do.

986

:

Yeah.

987

:

They need to let kids just, the

fact that they're holding them back.

988

:

We had that experience.

989

:

My, how old was he then?

990

:

11.

991

:

My 11 year old had finished algebra and

received permission from the science

992

:

teacher to take general science.

993

:

Not a big deal anyway, um the co op

we were going through Rejected his

994

:

registration because they said well,

it wouldn't be fair to other high

995

:

school kids If an 11 year old came

in took the class and I said, isn't

996

:

that the point of homeschooling?

997

:

That yeah, he can advance as he's

ready to advance and the co op rejected

998

:

their registration emphatically

And so I pulled all my kids out.

999

:

I'm like, that's not

why I'm homeschooling.

:

01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:25,790

I'm going elsewhere.

:

01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:26,780

Tali just pulled it.

:

01:00:26,830 --> 01:00:30,190

I think that's what I made

some enemies, but you know, you

:

01:00:30,190 --> 01:00:31,260

got to do what you got to do.

:

01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:34,050

And I think it's so silly

because if you're homeschooling,

:

01:00:35,140 --> 01:00:38,810

why would you tell the parents

they're making a wrong decision?

:

01:00:38,940 --> 01:00:41,120

Because then they're just basically.

:

01:00:41,730 --> 01:00:43,679

It's fiat thinking, you

know, it's a, it's a fiat.

:

01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:44,160

I get it.

:

01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:44,440

Yeah.

:

01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:45,190

It's frustrating.

:

01:00:45,470 --> 01:00:47,900

So I actually have one last question.

:

01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:48,290

So.

:

01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,400

If you guys don't mind me asking

one more before we, we do wrap up.

:

01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:55,650

Um, so one of the things that Talia

and I have struggled with, we've

:

01:00:55,650 --> 01:00:58,820

gone to homeschooling conferences,

we see all these similarities, but

:

01:00:58,820 --> 01:01:00,050

we're very passionate about it.

:

01:01:00,710 --> 01:01:05,030

And the message is, is really hard

to, to reach people who aren't

:

01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,610

already in the Bitcoin community.

:

01:01:07,210 --> 01:01:11,930

I, we, we, we find that making the

argument for why sovereign education,

:

01:01:12,510 --> 01:01:16,940

all these things that we just talked

about, it resonates really, really

:

01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:18,300

well in the Bitcoin community.

:

01:01:19,570 --> 01:01:23,140

But we can't just stay in

our own, in our own bubble.

:

01:01:23,140 --> 01:01:26,880

We have to, we have to

kind of push forward.

:

01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,970

So things like the Alaska conference

that you're working on, um, are

:

01:01:31,970 --> 01:01:37,340

there, what kind of opportunities

in Alaska are there to try to, to

:

01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,840

continue to push on the homeschooling

side is, is kind of the conversation.

:

01:01:41,850 --> 01:01:46,205

It doesn't have to be Bitcoin, but,

um, for example, um, Can we get some

:

01:01:46,205 --> 01:01:49,945

of those, those homeschoolers to the

conference or, I just feel like it's,

:

01:01:51,275 --> 01:01:53,895

when we talk to each other, we're already

Bitcoiners and we look at each other, we

:

01:01:53,895 --> 01:01:55,015

say, we already agree with each other.

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01:01:55,015 --> 01:01:57,535

I, and we have to argue who

agrees with who more, right?

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01:01:57,595 --> 01:02:02,605

Um, like it doesn't really, it doesn't

really help us reach outside of that.

:

01:02:03,445 --> 01:02:05,185

So what are your thoughts on that?

:

01:02:05,225 --> 01:02:11,115

Uh, what are you guys working to

help push outside our kind of core

:

01:02:11,115 --> 01:02:13,035

group, if you will, or core people?

:

01:02:13,950 --> 01:02:18,200

So Gabe Lord, um, brought

up a scripture at one point.

:

01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:19,460

I can't remember the exact scripture.

:

01:02:19,550 --> 01:02:23,980

Um, but it has to do with not being

able to educate your own family

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01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:25,130

and friends in your own community.

:

01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:29,120

You have to go outside your community

to, to get somebody to teach your, your

:

01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,860

best friend about how something works.

:

01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:37,130

Um, people will trust a stranger with

a reputation faster than they'll trust

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01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:38,570

their best friend in their own community.

:

01:02:39,810 --> 01:02:43,500

That's a, it's very difficult to

break through to your friends.

:

01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:48,640

So here in Alaska, my goal is to get

Alaska on a Bitcoin standard, right?

:

01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:54,540

Um, be it all my communications with the

Alaska Retirement Board, there seems to

:

01:02:54,540 --> 01:02:57,840

be only one person who's even interested

in having a conversation about Bitcoin,

:

01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:04,215

or be it, um, Trying to speak with

permanent fund corporation, which is how

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01:03:04,215 --> 01:03:05,755

a lot of our state government's funded.

:

01:03:05,795 --> 01:03:08,565

And we receive our permanent fund

dividends through the state of

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01:03:08,575 --> 01:03:14,335

Alaska or, or just, um, trying to

build out a Bitcoin community here

:

01:03:14,335 --> 01:03:19,065

in Juno or trying to get the unions

on board and the pensions and trying

:

01:03:19,065 --> 01:03:20,505

to get the whole community on board.

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01:03:21,215 --> 01:03:24,045

I guess I see Juno as a unique situation.

:

01:03:24,125 --> 01:03:25,575

Like you have to meet

people where they're at.

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01:03:25,595 --> 01:03:30,970

And I'm trying to meet the community

where I'm at and that, By holding a

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01:03:30,990 --> 01:03:36,600

conference in a community that has all of

the decision making power for the entire

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01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:41,700

state of Alaska, which is an 80 billion

sovereign wealth fund, uh, unfunded

:

01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:47,200

liabilities in the pensions and the unions

and the native corporations, hence the

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01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,560

sovereign people here at the conference.

:

01:03:50,090 --> 01:03:54,650

The, um, to, to have a conference

in Juneau and to bring a

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01:03:54,650 --> 01:03:56,170

massive influx of talent.

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01:03:56,660 --> 01:04:01,940

and knowledge on money and

sovereign money into Juno, it

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01:04:01,940 --> 01:04:03,260

could impact the entire state.

:

01:04:03,260 --> 01:04:10,150

So, um, I can only go so far as

to orange filling the people of

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01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:13,000

Juno and to, so what am I doing?

:

01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,500

I'm bringing the experts here.

:

01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,070

Um, this isn't a huge money

making conference by any means.

:

01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,880

There's no money being

made in this conference.

:

01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:24,815

It's just about Getting the ticket,

the money that we receive for

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01:04:24,815 --> 01:04:29,185

tickets and pouring it back into

getting the best minds up here too.

:

01:04:29,795 --> 01:04:34,085

And unfortunately with this, like if

you have this influx of Bitcoiners

:

01:04:34,775 --> 01:04:36,765

go to Nashville, what do you gain?

:

01:04:36,775 --> 01:04:41,335

Well, you have this, this

almost quarantined off community

:

01:04:41,335 --> 01:04:42,565

that goes to a conference.

:

01:04:42,575 --> 01:04:43,645

They stay at hotels.

:

01:04:43,645 --> 01:04:47,475

They're, they're, they're, they're

separated from the community, but to

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01:04:47,475 --> 01:04:49,325

do this conference here in Juneau.

:

01:04:49,870 --> 01:04:51,920

We are doing this over the 4th of July.

:

01:04:51,970 --> 01:04:56,010

Everybody comes from around Southeast

Alaska to attend the, see the

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01:04:56,010 --> 01:04:58,310

fireworks, you know, see the parade.

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01:04:58,900 --> 01:05:02,279

So to bring the Bitcoiners here is the

most challenging time to come because

:

01:05:02,279 --> 01:05:08,240

there's less lodging, less facilities,

but it's also the highest impact timeframe

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01:05:08,279 --> 01:05:10,170

of the year to have a conference.

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01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:15,940

So we want to bring, and, and also

as the conference starts formally

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01:05:15,940 --> 01:05:18,540

on the 5th, you know, the, the

will pass cruises on the 3rd.

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01:05:19,050 --> 01:05:22,230

Watch the fireworks that night, but

then the next day have the parade.

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01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,810

We can have floats in the parade.

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01:05:23,820 --> 01:05:29,190

We can have people walking around, um,

handing out along the float, um, flyers

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01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,925

for, um, The conference, uh, flyers

that can go over sovereign education.

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01:05:33,925 --> 01:05:37,945

We could have a sovereign education

float in the parade and then, um,

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01:05:37,945 --> 01:05:40,315

encourage people to show up at

the conference the next day to

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01:05:40,315 --> 01:05:41,765

hear the conversation about it.

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01:05:42,215 --> 01:05:47,015

So, so trying to, I think we'll have

success bringing people to the conference.

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01:05:47,015 --> 01:05:48,715

Juno is only 30, 000 people.

:

01:05:49,355 --> 01:05:52,090

So, but they, But we

have a captured audience.

:

01:05:52,090 --> 01:05:53,820

They cannot escape the community.

:

01:05:53,820 --> 01:05:57,690

So if we bring people to the community,

there's only so many places to eat.

:

01:05:57,700 --> 01:06:00,430

And as people go out to eat and ask

the question, do you take Bitcoin?

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01:06:01,990 --> 01:06:08,660

And so I, I see Juno is in a

different type of situation than

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01:06:09,180 --> 01:06:14,110

other places down South, where,

how do you have that conversation?

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01:06:14,110 --> 01:06:19,130

And it's just really hard to

educate people on something that.

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01:06:19,645 --> 01:06:21,915

When they know you for

so long, they may not.

:

01:06:22,355 --> 01:06:28,995

Um, yeah, I can't remember the

scripture, but it is, it was

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01:06:28,995 --> 01:06:30,645

very true when he stated it.

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01:06:31,465 --> 01:06:34,715

If you find it before we post, we'll

just include it in the show notes.

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01:06:34,775 --> 01:06:36,545

Um, but I think it's, that's really cool.

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01:06:36,545 --> 01:06:41,305

So some of the people, influencers

who might come influencers as

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01:06:41,305 --> 01:06:46,275

in people who can help impact

Alaska budgets and education.

:

01:06:46,845 --> 01:06:51,235

So you're saying some of those people

will also be in attendance, or at

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01:06:51,235 --> 01:06:53,225

least you're trying to get some

of those people into attendance.

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01:06:53,945 --> 01:06:58,175

So we have right now for the

sovereign people, I, you know,

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01:06:58,175 --> 01:07:02,435

I have my dream, like, as far as

who I would love to have up here.

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01:07:02,495 --> 01:07:06,855

Um, one of which, um, I'm a

huge fan of Alex Gladstein.

:

01:07:06,855 --> 01:07:07,925

I mean, I'd agree with that.

:

01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:12,120

Everything that he says, but his

mission is 100 percent right on

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01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:13,740

and I don't agree with everything.

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01:07:13,740 --> 01:07:20,080

Anybody says He's coming up and that is

the opportunity to hear him speak and to

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01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,210

speak on sovereign sovereign, um Money.

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01:07:23,330 --> 01:07:23,690

Mm hmm.

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01:07:23,850 --> 01:07:27,640

First of all people here Where we

have people who see themselves as

:

01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:33,850

sovereign I think that is a Will

be a high impact Um lisa huff.

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01:07:33,890 --> 01:07:34,860

She'll be up here.

:

01:07:34,990 --> 01:07:36,720

Um She's our keynote.

:

01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,490

Um, she's going to be speaking on,

uh, energy and national security.

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01:07:41,220 --> 01:07:45,230

So we have a lot of energy in the state

of Alaska, and if we want to have a

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01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:51,740

national, you know, a stance on the

planet, as far as, uh, embracing Bitcoin

:

01:07:51,740 --> 01:07:55,590

is good for our national security and

explaining that, I think that's powerful.

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01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,710

Um, you'll be up here speaking

in sovereign education.

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01:08:00,235 --> 01:08:02,435

With hopefully a very qualified panel.

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01:08:02,615 --> 01:08:03,795

Um, working on that.

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01:08:05,335 --> 01:08:07,795

Well, I was just talking about the

other side of it though, Wade, because

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01:08:07,805 --> 01:08:13,035

if we come up there, uh, I was just

wondering, you have to convince people

:

01:08:13,045 --> 01:08:18,925

in Alaska who may not be Bitcoiners to

give people like Gladstein and others or

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01:08:18,975 --> 01:08:21,755

Lisa and others the time of day, right?

:

01:08:21,795 --> 01:08:25,535

And that's a, um, you're,

you're almost trying to create

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01:08:25,564 --> 01:08:26,835

this marketplace of ideas.

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01:08:26,865 --> 01:08:27,015

Yeah.

:

01:08:27,015 --> 01:08:28,465

You're, you're bringing people out.

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01:08:28,930 --> 01:08:30,229

outside into the state.

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01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:30,770

That's great.

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01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:33,330

Um, it seems to be kind of challenging.

:

01:08:33,340 --> 01:08:37,520

You also have to convince people

in the state they have some

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01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:41,779

something that would benefit them

personally by attending this thing.

:

01:08:41,779 --> 01:08:47,029

You know, that's a that's a hard you're

trying to build everything in this.

:

01:08:47,029 --> 01:08:51,240

One of the things that I've seen with

being a part of the The homeschooling

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01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:55,109

community here in Juneau is we have

a number of social media sites.

:

01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:59,819

Well, maybe a number isn't the right

term, but we have a couple different, at

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01:08:59,819 --> 01:09:06,109

least Facebook sites that home homeschool,

specifically homebridge parents are on.

:

01:09:06,130 --> 01:09:09,950

And now we have three different

homeschooling programs in an, in

:

01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:14,120

Juneau, just Juneau and homebridge

is the one that we're connected to.

:

01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:17,410

So I have a homebridge parent.

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01:09:18,020 --> 01:09:21,740

Facebook page that I'm a part

of, and then a homeschooling

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01:09:22,580 --> 01:09:24,104

parents page that I'm a part of.

:

01:09:24,104 --> 01:09:28,279

Mm-hmm . So I'm a part of two different

homeschooling parent pages on Facebook.

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01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:28,729

Yeah.

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01:09:29,660 --> 01:09:34,880

And I have from time to time,

brought up and post made, made

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01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,809

comments on the pages about bitcoin.

:

01:09:39,475 --> 01:09:41,684

They're at least not

taking my comments down.

:

01:09:43,245 --> 01:09:47,475

My posts don't come down, which

means people are still seeing them.

:

01:09:48,035 --> 01:09:53,354

So as we get closer to the conference,

as we get closer to, to getting

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01:09:53,354 --> 01:09:56,795

to where with me Premiere Bitcoin,

we're going to potentially teach

:

01:09:56,795 --> 01:10:03,235

another class to, you know, the

students for free on our own time.

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01:10:04,055 --> 01:10:07,975

At the public library for certain

age groups, because I don't want

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01:10:07,975 --> 01:10:10,934

to have a five year old who's going

to be there running around, be an

:

01:10:10,934 --> 01:10:16,234

extraction year old who is truly

wanting to learn about Bitcoin.

:

01:10:16,235 --> 01:10:20,715

My point being is with the political

aspect, you know, the political motion

:

01:10:20,715 --> 01:10:26,434

that we've got going on right now with the

change of administration, we are looking

:

01:10:26,515 --> 01:10:29,115

at Bitcoin becoming a little bit more.

:

01:10:29,425 --> 01:10:34,775

Of a a buzz a little bit more noise

about it going through not just our

:

01:10:34,775 --> 01:10:40,455

community Or certain communities, but

through the national level Hoping that

:

01:10:40,465 --> 01:10:46,995

these bitcoin little bugs that i'm

putting out will catch someone's eyes And

:

01:10:46,995 --> 01:10:50,365

maybe the students who are part of this

because there are some older students

:

01:10:50,955 --> 01:10:52,835

Who are part of these pages as well?

:

01:10:53,085 --> 01:10:56,155

Maybe they'll see that and

be like, oh, holy moly.

:

01:10:56,305 --> 01:11:00,005

There's a conference going on You And

maybe somebody will reach out, you

:

01:11:00,005 --> 01:11:01,625

know, maybe we'll have a mom reach out.

:

01:11:01,825 --> 01:11:04,125

What are the youngest age

groups that can go to this?

:

01:11:04,405 --> 01:11:07,875

Or a student will reach out and say,

Hey, I've been talking with some

:

01:11:07,875 --> 01:11:09,495

friends and we're interested in this.

:

01:11:09,645 --> 01:11:11,295

How can we become a part?

:

01:11:11,305 --> 01:11:12,595

How can we attend this?

:

01:11:12,915 --> 01:11:14,195

How can we learn more?

:

01:11:14,755 --> 01:11:18,525

And, and with those little, you

know, what do they call them?

:

01:11:18,565 --> 01:11:21,684

Ear mites or ear earworms where

you're, you know, you've got a

:

01:11:21,684 --> 01:11:23,095

song, a song stuck in your head.

:

01:11:23,325 --> 01:11:25,265

Maybe you've got this

thought stuck in your head.

:

01:11:25,425 --> 01:11:29,150

Oh, New administration,

he's talking about Bitcoin.

:

01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:33,840

I've heard about these other Other

coins I won't use the term that Wade

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01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,830

uses but these other these other

coins because because we are just

:

01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:39,510

Bitcoin We don't teach anything.

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01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:41,410

We call them appropriately.

:

01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:47,990

Yeah We only teach the Bitcoin Yeah, I

hope you guys are successful in planting

:

01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:53,220

those seeds and getting those those

folks out because Yeah, I agree with you.

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01:11:53,220 --> 01:11:55,000

There's the political winds of change.

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01:11:55,020 --> 01:12:00,180

The, the news cycle has changed now with

the, with all, with all the things going

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01:12:00,180 --> 01:12:02,470

on ETFs and others, uh, micro strategy.

:

01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:07,970

So yeah, I hope you guys, I wish you

the best with being able to bring

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01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:11,600

the people from Alaska to somehow

connect at it, you know, come out

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01:12:11,610 --> 01:12:13,360

and experience some of that buzz.

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01:12:14,290 --> 01:12:19,830

And that's, I mean, that's how, I

mean, Tali now when we was at:

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01:12:19,860 --> 01:12:20,940

we went to our first conference.

:

01:12:22,065 --> 01:12:26,755

I think, no, the, the first, um, Bitcoin

conference, I think we went to Miami.

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01:12:26,835 --> 01:12:27,565

I think it was 22.

:

01:12:28,315 --> 01:12:33,195

Um, Tali spent her entire time like, I

mean, Oh man, that's so and so speaking.

:

01:12:33,235 --> 01:12:34,945

And she was like, well,

I really don't care.

:

01:12:34,945 --> 01:12:39,385

I can catch that on YouTube, but

I can, I have a captive audience

:

01:12:39,385 --> 01:12:41,735

over there in the, on the floor.

:

01:12:42,270 --> 01:12:44,690

And she would go up to whoever

she had a question about.

:

01:12:44,860 --> 01:12:46,320

Somebody had a wallet.

:

01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:48,780

She'd go up to them and she'd

just pepper them with questions.

:

01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:51,320

And then someone next to them had,

they were running some kind of

:

01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,200

minor, peppering with questions.

:

01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,760

And then somebody else had legal

services or whatever it was.

:

01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,670

I mean, they had, it was it.

:

01:12:58,770 --> 01:13:01,340

And then you had somebody else with,

I don't know, the little, what do

:

01:13:01,340 --> 01:13:04,590

you call the little stamps for your,

to, to record your, the seed stamps.

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01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:11,090

So she took it as, I'm just gonna, I've

got a captive audience and I'm just gonna

:

01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,415

ask, until I feel like I, you know, I,

I got what I wanted out of this thing.

:

01:13:15,415 --> 01:13:20,125

And she just, so if, if you can plant

that somehow in these people, if they

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01:13:20,145 --> 01:13:25,365

have any interest at all, that this

is an amazing opportunity to just

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01:13:25,365 --> 01:13:31,030

learn and talk to people face to face

and, and, um, Yeah, it's good stuff.

:

01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:33,150

So did we leave anything out?

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:34,960

Did you guys wanted to cover?

:

01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,750

I feel we've hit a lot

of different topics.

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01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:37,790

We've gone over the hour.

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01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:43,180

So, uh, we've probably exhausted

you with our questions, but anything

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01:13:43,180 --> 01:13:43,818

else you guys want to cover?

:

01:13:44,660 --> 01:13:48,460

Just real quick to roll back on that for

the Alaska conference, trying to tackle

:

01:13:48,460 --> 01:13:51,350

this from all these different directions,

be it bringing the veterans out, um,

:

01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:54,050

we're going to have the Bitcoin vets

run in the morning up to Nugget Falls.

:

01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:56,800

I believe we're looking

at tentatively July 1.

:

01:13:57,340 --> 01:14:00,900

We're bringing up Paladin Tower Tactics

for firearm training that afternoon.

:

01:14:00,900 --> 01:14:05,400

So now, um, we can, you know, break

into that community a little bit.

:

01:14:05,410 --> 01:14:09,010

Um, we'll have a big

picnic out at Aquarek.

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01:14:09,250 --> 01:14:10,960

You know, everybody's invited to that.

:

01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,420

So hopefully we get some faces out

there on the beach and a fire and

:

01:14:14,420 --> 01:14:16,830

some, you know, outdoor picnic food.

:

01:14:17,670 --> 01:14:21,090

Um, July 3rd, the cruise, you know,

if you're not signed up for that,

:

01:14:21,090 --> 01:14:24,760

you'll, you know, that'll be something

that's not really pulling so much

:

01:14:24,770 --> 01:14:26,020

from the local community, I guess.

:

01:14:26,050 --> 01:14:29,790

Hopefully we can get, we can break the

political barrier with the governor's

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01:14:29,790 --> 01:14:33,120

office, which we're working at doing

and getting him to, um, open the

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01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:38,300

conference and, um, you know, break

some of the barriers with the different,

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01:14:38,330 --> 01:14:42,840

uh, um, Departments with the state.

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01:14:43,330 --> 01:14:50,130

Um, then, uh, The parade on July 4th,

integrating that so we can have a presence

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01:14:50,210 --> 01:14:54,800

and be recognized as a presence in the

parade and get people to walk along, maybe

:

01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:59,080

do a Bitcoin veterans cleanup after the

parade because there's candy and papers

:

01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,870

laying all over the ground, you know,

do something good for the community.

:

01:15:02,765 --> 01:15:07,545

And then July 5th, not only is it the

conference, but we have the bazaar at an,

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01:15:07,565 --> 01:15:11,235

in a neighboring building where we'll have

local vendors who are accepting Bitcoin.

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01:15:11,645 --> 01:15:15,575

So we're getting local vendors who

go to these, um, different shows to,

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you know, start accepting Bitcoin.

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So to build out that marketplace in

Juno and to bring in these businesses

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to understanding how to accept Bitcoin

with their business, be it through strike

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or whatever app they choose to use.

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01:15:28,025 --> 01:15:31,235

And then, uh, closing out

the conference, July 6th.

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01:15:31,870 --> 01:15:34,820

So, we're trying to break through

different areas, you know, with Alex

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01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:37,920

Gladstein being able to speak on

human rights, you know, we can hit the

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01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:43,720

university and the school district,

um, with, uh, Lisa Huff, we can, we

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01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:49,600

can try to get, um, the governor's

office in, and who knows, maybe if

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01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,559

we did manage to get Michael Saylor,

maybe we could get the Permanent Fund

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01:15:52,570 --> 01:15:56,160

Corporation and the 80 billion Sovereign

Wealth Fund to take it seriously.

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01:15:56,210 --> 01:15:56,580

Ooh.

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So.

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It's trying to get the right people

to tackle the right subjects.

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01:16:02,405 --> 01:16:04,775

And, uh, yeah, that's so cool.

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Well, it takes a lot of, a lot

of work to put that together.

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So we're very grateful to have

people like you who are, are willing

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to go the extra mile and do that.

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01:16:16,765 --> 01:16:18,815

And thank you for homeschooling your kid.

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01:16:18,825 --> 01:16:20,465

You're going to

relationship with your kids.

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01:16:20,465 --> 01:16:24,055

You guys will tell him, I will just tell

you, you will never ever regret that

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01:16:24,065 --> 01:16:26,375

you've spent more time with your kids.

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Right.

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It's just, it's really, really

good that you're doing that.

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And, um, with that, I will, I guess we'll

wrap up and we'll put all your, all these,

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all the information in the show notes.

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So thank you guys.

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We'll talk to you soon.

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Tali Lindberg

Hey there, wonderful listeners! I'm Tali, and I'm so excited to welcome you to our podcast today. For two decades, I was knee-deep in the incredible journey of homeschooling my four amazing kids. It was a world of boundless creativity, filled with lesson plans, school projects, sports, and beautiful chaos. But when my children all graduated, a brand-new, unforeseen adventure awaited me - the captivating world of Bitcoin.

It took three years for Scott to bring me into Bitcoin. I hesitated at first, Bitcoin's intricacies seemed daunting, and my plate was already quite full. But he persisted, going so far as to create a fantastic bitcoin-mining board game called HODL UP to demystify it all. Before I knew it, I was down the Bitcoin rabbit hole. Just like my homeschooling journey, I took it one step at a time, learning and evolving as I ventured further.

Now, here we are today, and I couldn't be more thrilled to be part of the vibrant Bitcoin community. In an unexpected twist, my husband Scott and I realized that our homeschooling experiences can be a treasure trove of insights for Bitcoiners who, like us, want to take charge of their children's education. So, in addition to sharing our Bitcoin knowledge with Precoiners with HODL UP and the Orange Hatter podcast, we're here to offer tips and guidance for Bitcoin-homeschoolers. It's going to be an incredible journey, and I can't wait to share it with all of you. Enjoy the ride!
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Scott Lindberg

Scott Lindberg is a freedom-loving entrepreneur, author, and game designer. He is a proponent of finding freedom by taking self-custody of education, money and speech.

He and his wife, Tali, co-founded Free Market Kids. Their passion is to give the next generation the knowledge and tools to maximize their chances for freedom, success and happiness. Free Market Kids makes it easy and fun to introduce money concepts to kids through tabletop games, courses, lesson plans and trusted resources. They are best known for HODL UP™, a Bitcoin mining game.

Scott graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1993 with a Bachelor of Science in Systems Engineering. In 2001, he graduated Yale’s School of Management with a Master of Business Administration.