₿HS035: Prepare the Child for the Path, Not the Path for the Child

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Let me just tell a quick, quick story at the end.

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So this is, this is how I, I want, I

was thinking about starting and iron L

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Salvador, and we're at one of these pre

event things before adopting started and I

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don't, I don't, I don't usually walk up to

someone and say, Hey, do you homeschool?

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Like, I don't, like, I don't just do

that to anybody, but somehow we got

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onto that conversation and normally

we tell people we have four kids.

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They go, Oh.

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Wow.

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Right.

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Cause on both sides of our family,

we're the, we're the, the family

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unit that has the most kids.

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Tali: And then

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Scott: Jason just complete,

complete trump card.

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He goes, let me show you this picture

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Tali: and

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Scott: it's got your six kids.

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And I was at Halloween, Jason.

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What was the, what was the occasion where

you had all the special shirts on there?

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Leigh Ann - Jason: so we

went to the Hoddleween,

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um, a party in, uh,

down, uh, near Atlanta,

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Scott: Yep.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: and, uh, we wanted

to, uh, dress up as something that

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would be matching for all of us.

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And so, um, uh, uh, she didn't go and

our little now one year old didn't go.

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Um, he wasn't one year old

yet back then in October.

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But, uh, um, But yeah, myself and my

five oldest, uh, all dressed up in

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orange shirts with a white symbol,

like a, like an icon on the front

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and then a matching word on the back.

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So we had, and these words were,

uh, listeners may, may catch on to

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what this is, things like scarcity,

immutability, divisibility, portability.

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There are all these different,

uh, qualities of sound money.

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Uh, and so it was like,

yeah, there's six of us.

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Well, there's one, um, Oh, yeah,

we didn't do fungibility, because

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I know there's like the book The

Seventh Property, it talks about that.

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But I was portability because I was the

driver, driving everybody down there.

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We were joking that if, uh, if all of

us had been able to go, then our, our

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now one year old would be portability

because he is just crawling and

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scooching all over the place really fast.

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Uh, and then, uh, both she and I

together would be, uh, fungibility.

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Or, uh, because if you have one, you have

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Scott: get one again, get the other one.

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Nice.

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Tali: Very

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Scott: Well, it's just so cool though.

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Six, six kids is awesome.

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We originally wanted to have six and,

and so just, I just can't imagine

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Tali: the dynamics

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Scott: in the house.

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We had a little tighter

shot group than you.

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Tali: They were pretty tight.

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They were pretty tight.

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Yeah.

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Scott: Now with a one year old they're not

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Tali: well, mine is the one you know,

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, we have five.

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Five between 17 and, uh, and 10.

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Tali: Yeah, five in seven years

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Leigh Ann - Jason: So five

really close, one very distant.

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Scott: Right if they're really close

you're going to that you're going

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to costo or wherever you go and

you're and you're just going I need

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Size whatever diapers this diaper

this diaper you get it all at once

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Tali: Yeah,

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Scott: and then when you're

done with diapers You're like

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I never want to do that again.

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But now if you have a break Like that's

the part I don't, I can't relate to

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because now you're like, oh man, like I

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Tali: I Can't redo that.

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I feel like it would be more fun because

you would have more help And you would

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have all the lessons you learned from

the the other five that That you didn't

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know when the five were little so I

think I think I I would have had fun with

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that Um, we had four kids in four years

Not quite five it was less than five.

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Thank you very much.

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It was a year

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Mommy knows.

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Tali: Okay, listen, it was less than five.

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Wait, wait, that's another story.

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Okay, yes, but anyway.

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Here's where I'd

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Scott: like to go though.

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So, Where did you guys start?

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Who, who had the idea for homeschooling?

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Did you do it with your oldest?

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Did you do it all the way through?

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Because homeschooling one kid,

some people are, might be thinking,

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wow, that's really challenging.

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Tali: You've

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Scott: have six.

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So let's help us get inside your mind.

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Who, you have fungibility,

which, whichever one of you,

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this was who, who initiated, who

initiated the idea to homeschool?

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And like, that's, to me, it's fascinating.

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Six kids homeschooling like this.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

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So, um, I think it was, uh, a little

bit after we were married, Jason,

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uh, uh, uh, started talking about

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homeschooling and said, yeah, yeah,

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that it worked for him.

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Um, he, he did it some, uh, when he

was, uh, uh, uh, teenager, right?

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Early,

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Tali: Oh, baby's

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Leigh Ann - Jason: one year

old has just joined the call.

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Scott: His first podcast.

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Yeah,

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Leigh Ann - Jason: So, um,

Hey, Jason suggested it to me

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I had been, uh, public

school the whole way.

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And I'm thinking if I'm trying to put,

if I'm trying to homeschool and teach

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them as much as I learned in public

school, it's going to be too much.

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It's like, I can't do that, especially

if we're going to have multiple kids.

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How am I going to do that?

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Cause they're all going to be learning

different things at different times.

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And that's just.

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Going to be too much for me because,

you know, I would want to do it and

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teach them everything that, you know,

that, you know, that I had learned,

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like, I'm not sure I could do that.

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Um, but, uh, Jason was patient

with me and he, uh, he kept on,

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you know, just, uh, very, uh, uh,

encouraging it every once in a while.

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He warmed me up to the idea very well.

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And uh, I was like, you know what?

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It's not going to hurt

to try it with our first.

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And so we, we started off basically

like from, uh, From the beginning

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with our, with our youngest.

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And I was like, I started, we are

our oldest, he was the youngest.

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Yeah, I, I started learning about

different, uh, different resources,

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finding different things and, uh, just

eased into it and it kind of took off

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and I never really considered after that,

not doing it because it was so nice.

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It was so nice getting to spend so much

time with our kids and that we were the

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ones who were having that opportunity

to teach them and that closeness in our

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family that I feel like I didn't have, uh,

in my family and Jason didn't have in his.

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And so we, we really have a very

close knit family with very, um,

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strong connections because of,

uh, being able to homeschool.

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It's been a great blessing for us.

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Tali: Yeah.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, and if I can

add to that real quick, it was, um,

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from our first child and early on,

teaching him things just like, just basic

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things, how to share, what colors were,

different numbers and letters and stuff.

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Starting with the super simple things,

um, don't touch the stove, it's hot.

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And, uh, okay, now clean up your room.

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And it just built up from there till,

okay, this is how you, like, later

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on, here's how you safely search

for information on the internet.

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And later on, okay, well, here's

some, okay, here's this, uh, website.

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Learn, learn, uh, like, we found some

really good free homeschool resources

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online and, uh, and I used that.

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And when, when he was young, oh, when all

of them were young, I looked forward to

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the day when they would be teaching me.

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Uh things that I didn't know that um,

and our 17 will be 18 in in uh, um,

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april, uh, 17 year old Um, he knows

so many more things especially about

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computer programming that I don't know.

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He's like Oh, yeah, I know a little

bit of c and uh, html and javascript

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and i'm like, I know a little html And

I wouldn't be able to do it right now.

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I have to refresh my mind but uh, Um,

and so it's just you start small And

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you build it from there and it just

flowed really naturally as things came

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up, as situations and opportunities to

learn things just came up every day.

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Scott: So you were pretty confident.

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Tali: it sounds

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Scott: to me, you were pretty

confident when you went into this.

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You, you, you, you knew

this was going to work.

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Tali: like when you

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Scott: said,

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, I

was pretty, pretty confident.

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Really, I just see it as, uh, parenting.

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I don't, I, personally, in

my mind, I don't separate

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parenting from homeschooling.

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They are really one and the same.

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Uh, we have conversations around the

dinner table about politics and about

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history, about, uh, uh, religion, not

just our own, but other religions of the

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world, and, um, about Bitcoin, of course.

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Uh, and, uh, and, uh.

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Uh, I mean when we go we go on

talking about lots of things and

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I I value their input It's not

just me unless it's about bitcoin.

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Then it's me talking about it.

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But um, but when it's a lot of other

things They are giving me their input.

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We're doing like our family

scripture study and Our our second,

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uh child, uh, our 15 year old.

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He um, I'm almost 16, but um, uh, he he,

um, He's uh inherited my gift of gab.

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Uh, he, he, uh, he talks

a lot, just like I do.

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And, uh, and so he will give

his, um, input all the time,

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uh, during our scripture study.

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And the vast majority of things

are, I'm just blown away with,

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like, I didn't teach you that.

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You're, you're getting this on your own.

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Thank you.

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I'm taking notes by the way

because you're teaching me

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Scott: right.

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Tali: Mm-hmm

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Leigh Ann - Jason: ah, that is

such a gratifying thing to happen

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when it when uh, what's the the

line from uh, uh, The office my my

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well, well, it seems the turntables

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Scott: Yeah.

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Tali: The tables and

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Scott: turned backwards.

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Tali: I mean,

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Scott: So the relationships, though, Talia

and I have, we've talked about this a lot.

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This, this, this reoccurring

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Tali: reoccurring theme of

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Scott: that parent child bond.

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Mm hmm.

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And not, not having that, uh, separated.

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Did you guys have the support?

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I mean, it's easy now to say that

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Tali: when

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Scott: first started homeschooling,

it was a challenge communicating to

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our respective sides of the family

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Tali: What

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Scott: were doing

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And it wasn't as easy to tell

them some of these benefits.

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Did you guys have the support?

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Even though, so, I mean, even though

you went through public, did your,

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was your family, Leanne, okay with,

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Leigh Ann - Jason: think the first

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Scott: with, with your decision?

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Um, there

were, it was kind of a mix.

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My, uh, my dad every once in a while

will quiz the kids to see what they know.

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Scott: Trust and verify.

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Don't trust.

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Verify.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, well, he, he

has, he has his standard that he expects

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them to know, but it's interesting

how much they know that he doesn't.

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So, they might not have their

multiplication tables memorized when

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he wants them to rattle them off.

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But they have all these insights about

like, for example, our oldest with

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computer programming that he's, he's

taught himself that he can go into, uh,

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into, um, his own, uh, occupation with it

and take it into, you know, working right

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out of being, you know, an adult age,

because he already has all that training

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that he's, he's been able to gain just

through, um, um, Having the, having the

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ability to teach himself, um, which is, I

think is an invaluable, uh, skill to have

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is the, the ability to learn on your own

and to, to research and to find, you know,

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answers to your questions, to problem

solve and all those kinds of things that

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I think homeschooling really encourages.

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Uh, what I remember from public school, it

was a lot of regurgitation of information.

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You memorize and you regurgitate it.

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And that's kind of the

mindset I think my dad has.

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That it's like, okay, can they

regurgitate the information I expect?

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He sees the regurgitation, the

ability to regurgitate and actual

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education as one and the same, where

they could not be more different.

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Uh, and, uh, yeah.

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So, uh, yeah.

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Meanwhile, on my side, um,

I was partly homeschooled.

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I did kind of a hybrid homeschool,

public school thing, um, uh,

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during half of sixth grade.

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So when I was 11 turning 12, and then,

um, uh, then all of ninth grade was 14,

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turning 15 and, uh, did a hybrid, like I

go to public school for things like choir.

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Um, and, uh, it was in 6th grade I went

there for, for science class and, um,

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I think some language, some foreign

language classes or things like that.

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But, uh, but all the rest of the

time, beginning of the day and at

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the end of the day, I was at home,

but I was pulled out of school.

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My mom pulled me out of

school halfway through.

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There were several reasons why.

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I was dealing with a lot of,

uh, uh, depression and anxiety.

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Um, I, they were diagnosing

me as, uh, ADHD and stuff.

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My mom was like, no, come on.

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But also, um, I just was not learning

well in that kind of environment.

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Um, all the the pressure from Um

performing in front of everybody else

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and being there in these in these nice

orderly rows and stuff I needed to go

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about these things at my own pace um

And then I took a test when I was in 6th

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grade and it was found that I had like

a 2nd grade reading level at that time.

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So my mom pulled me out and said,

okay, now we are going to hammer

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in this ability to read and getting

really good reading comprehension.

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So I was starting at

like 7 in the morning.

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With school while my siblings were

getting ready to go to school.

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I would be sitting down starting I would

then middle of the day, you know go go

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to school for a class and lunch and come

back my mom back up and uh Um, obviously,

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yeah, but yeah, and then I would

continue working till roughly like 10 p.

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m uh at night and And do that not

Monday through Friday Monday through

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Saturday And what summer vacation

there between sixth and seventh grade?

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There was basically no summer

vacation because Yeah, I had a lot

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of catching up to do, a lot of things

that I kind of fallen back behind on.

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Um, then in ninth grade, before

that started, I, um, opted

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into, uh, to, uh, homeschool.

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I said, hey mom, could we do

that homeschool thing again?

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Because I did seventh and eighth

grade back in public school.

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I'm like, I'm kind of missing that.

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I'd rather be, uh, be back

at, uh, in homeschool.

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Uh, but I didn't, again,

I did a hybrid thing.

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Well, homeschool was such a

positive experience for me.

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Um, uh, but then that's when I started to,

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Tali: Well,

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Leigh Ann - Jason: And then, um, uh,

sorry, I keep losing my train of thought.

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Oh, that's right.

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And so when we started doing it, actually,

my mom was okay when we told her, Oh yeah,

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we're planning on homeschooling our kids.

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Um, Or we're starting to now and but she

was okay with it, but at the same time

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she was a math teacher at that time She

wasn't earlier, but she'd become a math

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teacher in a public school and it become

very Positive towards the idea of public

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school and was kind of encouraging us

like well, maybe do maybe do homeschool At

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first and then move maybe in middle school

high school movement to um homeschool.

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I kind of shrugged.

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Is that it?

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Maybe that didn't happen though Um, but

then she's gradually warmed up to it now.

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She doesn't teach anymore.

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Um, but uh, Uh, but yeah, so she's

she's warmed up to it as well Yeah,

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and I think um even with uh, the the

difficulties on my side over and over

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again within my family and outside of

our family, people we meet, people we

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get to know, our friends and stuff, they

compliment us on how smart our kids are.

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Um, I think part of it is just,

uh, being able to communicate in an

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intellectual way is a skill that they've

developed from being homeschooled

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as well, that, uh, People just are

like compliment us on all the time.

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They're so well behaved and

they're, and they're so smart.

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Scott: Well, I think, I mean,

just the example with your,

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your dad quizzing them, Mm hmm.

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One of the things that

Tali and I observed is

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homeschooled kids, not, not all,

I get it to make generalities, but

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generally speaking, homeschooled kids

are able to have a conversation with

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anybody of any age because they are

constantly around people of all ages.

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Tali: And

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Scott: we didn't, we never

baby talked them anyway.

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We always treated them.

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Tali: We just,

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Scott: we talked to them the

way we're talking to you now.

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Tali: But

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Scott: around their siblings at

different ages, around other homeschool

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kids at different ages versus public

school where you are segregating people

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by

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their age, arbitrarily.

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That's just, that's the way it is.

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Then all of a sudden they're

out and now they're interacting

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with an adult or something else.

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And they,

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Tali: they haven't

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been spending,

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Scott: they haven't been spending the

time to, to learn how to socialize.

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So our,

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Tali: when

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Scott: look back on our experience and

people compliment us on our kids, I

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think a huge part of that is just that.

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they don't

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know any different.

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All I knew is this is how

everybody talked to each other.

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And you learned if, if you were

disrespectful to someone, it

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didn't matter what their age was.

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You learned how to, corrected that.

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Tali: And so

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Scott: I think there's something

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Tali: unnatural

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Scott: at the way we, we

segregate kids by age in schools.

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And I think one of the, the

outcomes of homeschooling is

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the opposite of that, where

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Tali: People

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Scott: actually hold a conversation.

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They can do it at work, they

can do it at school, they can

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do it in activities, and so,

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Tali: um.

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Well, I, I'll just add to that.

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I think part of the reason that

public school kids have, compared to

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homeschool kids, have more difficulty

conversing is because most of the

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day they're not allowed to converse.

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They go into a group setting where

they're expected to be quiet.

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And then they're also taught shame

if they ask a stupid question.

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Even though the teacher would say

there are no stupid questions,

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you're just not going to ask a

question you think is stupid.

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So there's no conversation

during learning either.

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It's a very one sided, You know,

I'll teach you, be quiet and

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absorb, and then don't talk to your

classmates because that's disruptive.

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And in between classes, don't be late.

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Go to your locker, hurry up, get

yourself and go to So, most of

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the day, they're not talking.

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They're not having the, the

opportunity to express their ideas

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continually to to expand their ability

to translate thought into words.

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Whereas homeschool kids, you know,

you might have six sitting at a table,

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they will not be shy about yelling out

a question if they're in the middle

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of doing their assignments, right?

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Because my kids wouldn't.

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I mean, it's like, blur right out.

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So I think also, you know, our

homeschool kids just get more practice.

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What,

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are you still

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Scott: on the socialization part?

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Tali: It's not socialization per se.

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I think it's just the opportunity to

practice translating thought into words.

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Because that is a process.

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Scott: They just have

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Tali: communicative, right?

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Scott: Yeah,

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Tali: practice time.

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Yeah, I think so.

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Well, I'll

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Leigh Ann - Jason: yeah,

they're allowed to.

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Tali: Right.

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: 00:19:18

Scott: Yeah, so let me ask

you another thing, too.

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There's

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Leigh Ann - Jason: think there's a.

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Scott: on my mind about the time at

school, and that is, if someone gets into

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flow, you're basically saying, you have to

be in flow right now, 45 minutes on math.

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It didn't matter for your sleep

cycles out of whack, or you just

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had a bunch of sugary snacks.

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It doesn't matter.

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you're going to break that, and

now you have to be focused only on

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English, or whatever the next subject

is, whatever the bells go off in

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Tali: schools.

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And

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Scott: so my question for you is, uh,

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Tali: It seems to

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me

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Scott: in the, in the home environment,

I want to get, I want to see

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what, if, what your experience was

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Tali: in a

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Scott: home environment, you

can allow the kids, you can say

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you're going to learn math, right?

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You may mandate they learn math

unless you're doing unschooling,

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you can say there's certain

subjects you're going to learn,

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Tali: but

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you

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Scott: let them learn it at

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Tali: a

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Scott: different time of day,

a different time of the week.

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And

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Tali: if

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Scott: happen to be in flow,

you just, you finally got there.

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Tali: You

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can

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Scott: there.

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Guess what?

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Cause that next subject you could just

push off to a different, different time.

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So I think another benefit

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Tali: of what

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Scott: like a lack of structure

in the home, not having that,

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Tali: that regiment,

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the

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battle rhythm

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: 00:20:26

Scott: these bells going off allows

students to go deeper and learn better

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: 00:20:33

Tali: when

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Scott: are on the subjects.

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: 00:20:34

So

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Tali: what's

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Scott: your experience?

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: 00:20:36

How did you guys choose curriculum?

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: 00:20:38

How did you guys manage time?

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: 00:20:39

I mean, tell us what you guys think.

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: 00:20:42

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, we definitely do

more of an unschooling kind of approach.

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: 00:20:45

Um, one thing though, kind of, um, uh,

kind of going off what you were just

430

: 00:20:50

saying there, a thought I had was, um,

as much as I like this movie I'm going

431

: 00:20:54

to reference here, uh, uh, there's a

part in the movie The Matrix where, um,

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: 00:21:00

the, you know, Neo is plugged into, uh,

to the computer and they're uploading

433

: 00:21:03

all this information straight into

his head and he's all, I know Kung Fu.

434

: 00:21:07

Um, and I think that's, uh, Uh, even

before the matrix for decades or so,

435

: 00:21:13

a century or so before the matrix ever

came out, was the idea of like, Oh,

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: 00:21:19

if we're only possible that we could

just upload information into our minds.

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: 00:21:23

Um, and we would call that learning,

but the thing is he was able to

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: 00:21:29

essentially regurgitate Kung Fu.

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: 00:21:31

He was able to regurgitate all

these, this information, but

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: 00:21:34

he had no practice with it.

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: 00:21:35

There were never, it had only been

one direction going into his brain.

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: 00:21:38

Nothing going out from his own mind,

which is another way that we learn.

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: 00:21:44

Um, and so when, yeah, when there's

that you know, like, no, I don't

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: 00:21:49

care what kind of flow you're in.

445

: 00:21:50

You're, you're having stuff come

in and go out and you're just,

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: 00:21:53

you're just going, no, no, no.

447

: 00:21:54

You need to now move on.

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: 00:21:56

You're, that was science.

449

: 00:21:57

Now we're doing history.

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: 00:21:58

Um, and, uh, you know, put, put a stop to

that flow and move to this other thing.

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: 00:22:04

And, uh, yeah, I think

it's extremely detrimental.

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: 00:22:06

Uh, and it's not the way the mind works.

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: 00:22:08

It never has.

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: 00:22:09

Uh, and, uh, and so I think

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: 00:22:13

kids to have that Um, that

scenario or that, uh, what's

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: 00:22:18

the word I'm looking for here?

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: 00:22:19

Um, that setting, I guess, where they can

receive and give, uh, and at their pace.

458

: 00:22:27

And maybe they're not

quite ready to give yet.

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: 00:22:29

So they're like, go on.

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: 00:22:31

I'm still listening.

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: 00:22:32

Thinking and the gears are still turning.

462

: 00:22:34

They're not ready to give yet because

I don't feel like confidence yet But

463

: 00:22:37

then something clicks and they go.

464

: 00:22:38

Oh, you mean kind of like this and

they start building and they start

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doing and they start teaching and they

and uh They they start learning so

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: 00:22:46

like actually learning so much more so

Back to your other question, though,

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about, uh, you know, what style we do.

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: 00:22:54

We, uh, uh, yeah, very, uh,

unschooling kind of method.

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: 00:22:58

Our main goal with all of our kids, and

now, now with this, uh, one year old, uh,

470

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that we have, is get them to the point

where they can, uh, teach themselves.

471

: 00:23:07

So, help them learn how to read is

kind of the first major milestone.

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: 00:23:11

There's a bunch of other smaller

milestones, uh, in there.

473

: 00:23:14

But when they can read.

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: 00:23:16

And they're like, you know, I really

wanted to learn about this thing.

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: 00:23:19

Um, uh, you know, anything science or

history or anything else like that.

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: 00:23:23

We'll be like, boom, here you go.

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: 00:23:25

Um, we'd be happy to read it with

you if you'd like, but Sometimes, oh

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: 00:23:30

man, there have been times we would

wake up in the morning and like, like

479

: 00:23:34

we should be up before the kids are,

their lights on, what's going on?

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: 00:23:39

There was one point, actually it was

one point late at night, so it wasn't

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: 00:23:41

in the morning, it was late at night,

we're getting ready for bed, we already

482

: 00:23:43

put the kids to bed, but now we notice

there's a light on in the stairwell.

483

: 00:23:47

We went to the stairwell, opened up the

door, looked down, like four of our kids,

484

: 00:23:52

of our five older kids, all sitting on the

stairwell, all on a different step with

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: 00:23:56

a book open of their own choosing, uh,

486

: 00:23:59

that

487

: 00:23:59

Scott: that's a

488

: 00:24:00

Leigh Ann - Jason: sitting there

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Tali: I

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Scott: you

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: 00:24:02

took a

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: 00:24:02

Leigh Ann - Jason: is like 11

PM or something crazy like that.

493

: 00:24:04

Yeah.

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: 00:24:04

I think we got a picture of it.

495

: 00:24:06

Can you take a picture?

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: 00:24:08

Oh, I don't know.

497

: 00:24:08

It was several years ago though.

498

: 00:24:10

But uh, Yeah.

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: 00:24:12

Dig it up, but yeah.

500

: 00:24:13

And I was like, okay, this is like the

most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

501

: 00:24:17

Nevermind guys.

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: 00:24:17

I know it's late.

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: 00:24:18

I put you to bed a couple

hours ago, carry on.

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: 00:24:22

And I just closed the door

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: 00:24:24

Scott: You ever let the

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: 00:24:24

Leigh Ann - Jason: because

they were in that flow.

507

: 00:24:26

Scott: were in

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: 00:24:26

the flow.

509

: 00:24:27

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah,

510

: 00:24:27

And uh,

511

: 00:24:27

Scott: Did they ever, you ever

let them teach each other?

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: 00:24:30

Tali: You know,

513

: 00:24:31

if one has a flow

514

: 00:24:32

Scott: with one, they want to

tell the others, they do that too.

515

: 00:24:36

Leigh Ann - Jason: Mm-hmm

516

: 00:24:37

Scott: Okay.

517

: 00:24:37

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

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: 00:24:38

And, um, yeah, there are

a lot of times when, um.

519

: 00:24:43

One of our, uh, middle kids will

be working on some kind of project

520

: 00:24:47

like, uh, creating a game on the

computer or that kind of thing.

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: 00:24:52

They need help with something.

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: 00:24:53

I'm like, well, go, go ask one of your

older brothers who knows how to do it.

523

: 00:24:58

And they will, they'll ask them

and then, uh, they'll, they'll

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: 00:25:01

get the help that they need.

525

: 00:25:03

And so it's, it's really awesome.

526

: 00:25:04

It's like, well, I might not know

this, but if I don't, and then you

527

: 00:25:08

have other people around who might

know, and then also, you know,

528

: 00:25:11

there are all these other resources

that we can point them to as well.

529

: 00:25:14

So.

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: 00:25:15

Scott: Make your job

531

: 00:25:16

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

532

: 00:25:16

And sometimes you're.

533

: 00:25:17

Tali: Yeah.

534

: 00:25:18

Scott: yeah.

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: 00:25:19

I'm

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: 00:25:19

Leigh Ann - Jason: and to your point,

sometimes it's just because we don't

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: 00:25:22

know that information, but we know

that their oldest brother does.

538

: 00:25:27

Sometimes though, it's, you know,

I'm working, she's taking care of the

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: 00:25:30

baby, and we just can't at that moment.

540

: 00:25:33

And there's other people

who can then help.

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: 00:25:35

But, um, really what this comes down to,

uh, taking it again to a, uh, Bitcoin

542

: 00:25:40

y, uh, kind of, kind of reference here.

543

: 00:25:42

Uh, all Bitcoiners recognize the term,

well, not all, but a lot of Bitcoiners

544

: 00:25:45

recognize the term time preference.

545

: 00:25:48

That when you have this low time

preference mentality or approach to

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: 00:25:51

homeschooling, you work a whole lot

when they're really, really young.

547

: 00:25:55

Get them to understand how

to read, how to do math.

548

: 00:25:58

Uh, understand the basis of

science and basis of history

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: 00:26:01

and things, just these basics.

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: 00:26:02

Thanks.

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: 00:26:03

Now they have a little taste.

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: 00:26:04

It's like they've, uh, they've

taste tested everything and they

553

: 00:26:07

know now what, how to get more

of the thing that they want.

554

: 00:26:11

And they're like, Ooh, I want

a lot more of that please.

555

: 00:26:13

And a lot more of that.

556

: 00:26:14

So like our, our third son

has gone, I want a lot more

557

: 00:26:17

of that aerospace engineering.

558

: 00:26:19

And you know, he actually just

said to me, he wants to look into

559

: 00:26:21

becoming a pilot and stuff like that.

560

: 00:26:23

He wants a lot more of that kind of

stuff in history and not so much.

561

: 00:26:28

And, and, uh, yeah, all

those kinds of things.

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: 00:26:31

Thanks, I, I understand the basics

now, but putting all a lot of that

563

: 00:26:34

work in first early on makes it

so that it just opens up every

564

: 00:26:38

opportunity for them, uh, through

the, the later years of their life.

565

: 00:26:42

And by early on, I mean like how, how

long will it take for a kid to, to really

566

: 00:26:46

learn how to read and, uh, start getting

interested in and ability able to, and

567

: 00:26:51

interested in reading nonfiction books.

568

: 00:26:54

Um.

569

: 00:26:55

I mean, they, they might still be like

eight, nine, ten, something like that, but

570

: 00:26:58

we're like really diving into nonfiction,

uh, and, and, uh, that's kind of self

571

: 00:27:03

guided learning, so self guided, but we

are still overseeing it all, and every

572

: 00:27:07

day, uh, talking with them about it, uh,

it's, like I said earlier, it's a great

573

: 00:27:12

opportunity for us to learn a lot of great

things, um, and so we're always being

574

: 00:27:18

their, their guides, their, um, I don't

know, advocates and kind of walking them

575

: 00:27:22

through that whole process of learning,

especially when it comes to those kinds of

576

: 00:27:26

things that like, we didn't know anything

about this, but now we can, now we can,

577

: 00:27:30

um, learn from them and learn with them.

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: 00:27:33

Scott: Yeah.

579

: 00:27:34

Okay.

580

: 00:27:34

Help me understand.

581

: 00:27:35

We did not unschool.

582

: 00:27:37

I

583

: 00:27:37

like the idea where they follow

their passion and they do things.

584

: 00:27:41

On the other hand,

585

: 00:27:43

Tali: I have some

586

: 00:27:44

Scott: opinions about things

that should be taught.

587

: 00:27:46

You can get into money literacy.

588

: 00:27:47

You can get into whatever,

whatever it is that you want to do.

589

: 00:27:49

So how do you guys balance that?

590

: 00:27:52

Tali: Are there

591

: 00:27:53

Scott: some things that you really want

them to go and they, they haven't selected

592

: 00:27:55

it on their own, but, you know, so

593

: 00:27:58

Tali: there's, I

594

: 00:27:58

Scott: think there's a spectrum

on the unschooling to structure.

595

: 00:28:02

So help us.

596

: 00:28:03

Where, where are you guys on that?

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: 00:28:05

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, uh, so

that's, that's definitely true.

598

: 00:28:07

A lot of times I'll tell, tell people

when I say unschooling, I'm like,

599

: 00:28:11

yeah, that might give you the wrong

idea about what we actually do.

600

: 00:28:14

We don't let them just run

around outside all day.

601

: 00:28:16

Although that can be

beneficial as well, sometimes.

602

: 00:28:19

Like when it snows, like today it did.

603

: 00:28:22

Yeah.

604

: 00:28:22

Um, so I usually say it's

like an organized unschooling.

605

: 00:28:27

So we do have, um, a different,

um, Uh, different learning

606

: 00:28:34

resources that we pull from.

607

: 00:28:37

Um, but then they have a lot of, uh, a lot

of freedom to choose, uh, when they want

608

: 00:28:46

to do it and which resources they prefer.

609

: 00:28:49

We'll see which ones they gravitate

toward and they're enjoying

610

: 00:28:53

and then we'll, we'll do those.

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: 00:28:55

If we see that there's a, um, a gap in.

612

: 00:29:00

And the things that they're learning

that they need a bridge and then

613

: 00:29:03

we'll help them to find that bridge

and get more involved with, uh,

614

: 00:29:07

helping them to learn those things.

615

: 00:29:09

Um, a lot of times when they learn,

uh, is dependent on when they're ready.

616

: 00:29:15

And so we'll say, well,

we need to do this.

617

: 00:29:17

Maybe even we need to work

on this today or this week.

618

: 00:29:20

So I'll, I'll tell them, just

let me know when you're ready.

619

: 00:29:23

And then, uh, and then we'll work on that.

620

: 00:29:26

And sometimes I've seen like with, uh.

621

: 00:29:29

with math, for example, will

do, um, uh, one set, one set of,

622

: 00:29:35

uh, uh, math problems, and then

they'll ask, can I do some more?

623

: 00:29:43

Because, uh, they had so much fun

with those as they're enjoying it

624

: 00:29:46

and they're, you know, they're in the

zone and so they want to do some more.

625

: 00:29:49

And so we'll continue with some more.

626

: 00:29:51

So it really makes it nice because

There will be some things they might

627

: 00:29:57

get ahead on, and then sometimes

there will be things they're behind

628

: 00:30:00

on, but in the end, it all evens out.

629

: 00:30:04

I think like for us,

that's what I've seen.

630

: 00:30:07

Um, and, uh, it kind of goes along

with, um, Maria Montessori's, uh,

631

: 00:30:15

philosophy that you let the children

explore on their own, but when you see

632

: 00:30:20

there's something that they need and

then you guide them to that need so

633

: 00:30:24

that they can have that need filled.

634

: 00:30:27

Yeah.

635

: 00:30:28

So very heavily guided yet still.

636

: 00:30:30

Still giving them some, a lot of freedom.

637

: 00:30:33

Where I thought you were actually

going to go Yeah, yeah, a lot

638

: 00:30:36

of freedom of choice, yeah.

639

: 00:30:37

Where I thought you were going to go

actually is, uh, something that she's been

640

: 00:30:39

doing for years, uh, with all of them.

641

: 00:30:41

Not since the very beginning, but,

so, for many years, is, uh, the

642

: 00:30:46

process of going through history,

um, by way of, uh, literature.

643

: 00:30:51

Do you want to talk some about that?

644

: 00:30:53

I can.

645

: 00:30:53

Um, So this one goes along, uh,

some, uh, with, uh, the Charlotte

646

: 00:30:59

Mason, what she taught about living

books, teaching from living books.

647

: 00:31:03

Tali: Mhm.

648

: 00:31:04

Yep.

649

: 00:31:04

Leigh Ann - Jason: Which means books that

aren't like textbooks that are devoid

650

: 00:31:08

of, you know, story and life and meaning.

651

: 00:31:14

So, I guess the way we do it is, we'll

read literature through history and

652

: 00:31:19

we start at, , you know, early on.

653

: 00:31:21

And then we'll use, , the Bible

as well as, lots of other novels,

654

: 00:31:26

literature, poems, um, uh, and, uh, we

even, we even did, yeah, yeah, yeah.

655

: 00:31:35

A lot of it's historical fiction.

656

: 00:31:37

Uh, some is nonfiction, um, and one,

one book that I really liked we did

657

: 00:31:44

was a, um, a book stories of art.

658

: 00:31:48

So we did an art history, uh, type

and it's this one book that's,

659

: 00:31:53

that's really nice that has these

stories of different pieces of art.

660

: 00:31:56

So you get familiar with art through

history as well and the development

661

: 00:32:01

of art and the, and the stories

along with that with different

662

: 00:32:05

artists and get to know them.

663

: 00:32:07

And so you can do that.

664

: 00:32:09

I think, I think our minds a lot of

times will think chronologically anyway,

665

: 00:32:14

because we are people, you know, in time.

666

: 00:32:18

Tali: Mhm.

667

: 00:32:18

Leigh Ann - Jason: And so, uh, teaching

that way, and you can also teach,

668

: 00:32:22

you know, music and science and,

basically everything you can teach

669

: 00:32:27

through, like chronologically so that

your children are learning it in that

670

: 00:32:31

kind of natural way that other people

through time have learned it as well.

671

: 00:32:36

Scott: Yeah.

672

: 00:32:36

The, the power of stories.

673

: 00:32:38

Come up, I don't

674

: 00:32:39

know how

675

: 00:32:39

many times that you can use that.

676

: 00:32:41

And, uh, do you remember the name of that?

677

: 00:32:43

You, the name of the art book?

678

: 00:32:45

You're

679

: 00:32:45

Leigh Ann - Jason: Oh, wait,

680

: 00:32:46

Scott: about it though, is

681

: 00:32:47

Leigh Ann - Jason: never mind.

682

: 00:32:48

I have it right next to me.

683

: 00:32:49

Scott: Jason, while she's

getting that, Oh, there it is.

684

: 00:32:51

Okay.

685

: 00:32:51

Okay.

686

: 00:32:52

Tali: Vincent's

687

: 00:32:53

story Oh, I

688

: 00:32:53

love that!

689

: 00:32:55

That is so cool!

690

: 00:32:56

Leigh Ann - Jason: A

Children's History of Art.

691

: 00:32:58

Tali: says Michael Bird.

692

: 00:33:00

Scott: trying to read

the, trying to read the

693

: 00:33:01

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, Michael Byrd.

694

: 00:33:02

Yeah, Michael Byrd.

695

: 00:33:03

Tali: I'll put

696

: 00:33:03

Scott: a link in the,

I'll put a link in the

697

: 00:33:05

Tali: show notes.

698

: 00:33:05

You

699

: 00:33:05

Scott: know what I, the

other thing I like about it.

700

: 00:33:07

Well, first of all, I like art.

701

: 00:33:08

so

702

: 00:33:09

I think that's really cool.

703

: 00:33:11

But I also think you guys are highlighting

one of the benefits when you take control.

704

: 00:33:17

And sorry, Leanne, I got to

go down the Bitcoin thing.

705

: 00:33:19

I'm going to use all

706

: 00:33:19

Tali: kinds

707

: 00:33:19

of Bitcoin.

708

: 00:33:20

You,

709

: 00:33:20

when You,

710

: 00:33:20

Scott: when you self

custody parenting and you're

711

: 00:33:22

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

712

: 00:33:22

Scott: of this,

713

: 00:33:24

you

714

: 00:33:24

can do a lot of things and the

kids get to learn things that are

715

: 00:33:28

not part of a state curriculum,

716

: 00:33:31

right?

717

: 00:33:32

I mean, I just imagine you, you,

you go there and the teachers and

718

: 00:33:35

the administrators have an incentive

that kids in a public school

719

: 00:33:38

do well on standardized tests.

720

: 00:33:39

So guess what?

721

: 00:33:40

They spend a lot of time on

whatever you need for that.

722

: 00:33:43

Versus.

723

: 00:33:44

Hey kids, we're going to pick up

Starry Night and we're going to tell

724

: 00:33:46

stories about art or fill in the

blank, aerospace, something else,

725

: 00:33:52

and letting kids explore topics that

726

: 00:33:55

Tali: are

727

: 00:33:55

Scott: outside.

728

: 00:33:56

So I like what you said

before, you have the base.

729

: 00:33:58

If you learn how to read and you

learn numbers and you learn your,

730

: 00:34:01

your basics, you open this amazing

universe for the kids to explore

731

: 00:34:06

Leigh Ann - Jason: Mm-hmm

732

: 00:34:07

Tali: things

733

: 00:34:07

Scott: that they otherwise

wouldn't be able to,

734

: 00:34:09

Tali: explain.

735

: 00:34:10

Scott: So yeah, and the

power story, um, very, very

736

: 00:34:13

Leigh Ann - Jason: Mm-hmm

737

: 00:34:15

Scott: Are you

738

: 00:34:15

going

739

: 00:34:15

Leigh Ann - Jason: One way I like

to think of it is, um, imagine you,

740

: 00:34:19

uh, and I'm not, I'm not, I didn't

come up with this analogy myself.

741

: 00:34:23

I heard this once in a, a video I

was watching many, many years ago.

742

: 00:34:26

But imagine you've just

shown up, uh uh, at a play.

743

: 00:34:30

Um, except you're, you're backstage

and your time to come on stage is like

744

: 00:34:35

in five minutes, but you have no idea

what's happened previously in the play.

745

: 00:34:40

So someone backstage is like, has

to quickly, um, fill you in quickly

746

: 00:34:45

say, okay, well, she's in love

with him, but he killed that guy.

747

: 00:34:49

But this guy is actually saying this.

748

: 00:34:51

And so he's really angry at that

guy and quickly fill in the plot.

749

: 00:34:55

to then get you ready to

go on stage and perform.

750

: 00:34:59

what parenting, childhood, Parenting,

parenting children and homeschooling

751

: 00:35:06

is, you're quickly, roughly 18 years,

it can be shorter than that, but over a

752

: 00:35:12

period of years you are preparing your

children to go out there into the world.

753

: 00:35:18

That's the ultimate goal.

754

: 00:35:19

point so they can be competent adults

and act there on stage and hopefully

755

: 00:35:24

direct this play that we're all in to go

in a nicer direction than it already is

756

: 00:35:29

and Ever so a little bit, but you first

have to Inform them about everything.

757

: 00:35:37

How did the play what's happening now,

which they can see how did it get here?

758

: 00:35:42

How did it get to this point?

759

: 00:35:43

And what does that thing mean?

760

: 00:35:45

Why is this person on

TV saying this thing?

761

: 00:35:47

What is this thing, the internet?

762

: 00:35:50

And what is this, uh, this

Bitcoin thing, which like my

763

: 00:35:53

Scott: Well, I'm glad you brought up that

because that actually wanted to, I wanted

764

: 00:35:56

to, I wanted to poke this subject a little

bit, even though I'm guessing it's not.

765

: 00:36:00

So

766

: 00:36:01

can

767

: 00:36:01

you, for the audience, this would be

kind of a little of a transition here,

768

: 00:36:05

Jason,

769

: 00:36:05

maybe start with you, what you do, just

the high level stuff, what you're doing,

770

: 00:36:10

Tali: and

771

: 00:36:10

Scott: then maybe you can touch on, uh,

If we're, you know, where, where you are,

772

: 00:36:14

Leon, on the, the orange pilling journey

773

: 00:36:17

Tali: and, you know, are you

774

: 00:36:17

Scott: tolerating this?

775

: 00:36:18

Are you,

776

: 00:36:19

Tali: are you,

777

: 00:36:19

Scott: are you incorporating

this into your schooling?

778

: 00:36:21

So touch, touch on the Bitcoin thing.

779

: 00:36:25

Leigh Ann - Jason: Okay.

780

: 00:36:26

Actually.

781

: 00:36:26

Touch on touch.

782

: 00:36:28

Oh no.

783

: 00:36:28

Um,

784

: 00:36:31

Scott: on you.

785

: 00:36:32

Tali: You,

786

: 00:36:32

Scott: you, you get 30

787

: 00:36:34

Leigh Ann - Jason: really.

788

: 00:36:34

Um,

789

: 00:36:37

uh, our youngest, our 1-year-old is

now looking at me because he heard

790

: 00:36:40

the, he heard the magic word Bitcoin,

um, and he just heard it again.

791

: 00:36:43

He's looking at me like,

oh, oh, I know what that is.

792

: 00:36:46

Um, every time he sees one of

the, the, uh, Bitcoin symbol, he

793

: 00:36:49

like wants to reach out and touch

it and, and poke it and stuff.

794

: 00:36:52

He, he, I think it's early on

there was like the, the contrast

795

: 00:36:56

of of, of orange and white.

796

: 00:36:57

I think that's really what it was.

797

: 00:36:59

But then he sees a symbol all the time.

798

: 00:37:00

Daddy has it on shirts.

799

: 00:37:02

And he has stickers on his

computer and, uh, it's, this

800

: 00:37:06

must be something important.

801

: 00:37:08

Uh, he's just, he's just one,

he doesn't understand yet.

802

: 00:37:10

But, um, uh, oh yeah, so I guess

a little bit about my story.

803

: 00:37:14

So, uh, discovered Bitcoin in,

or went down the Bitcoin rabbit

804

: 00:37:17

hole, I should say, in mid 2015.

805

: 00:37:20

Um, so at the time our fifth child,

our only daughter, uh, was, uh, one.

806

: 00:37:25

And I was just like our, our

little son right, right here.

807

: 00:37:29

And, um, Oh, yeah.

808

: 00:37:32

And then it was a few months after

that when I was like, you know what?

809

: 00:37:34

Let's, let's start moving some

of their savings into Bitcoin.

810

: 00:37:37

I think that would be a really, that'd

be really, really good for them.

811

: 00:37:40

Um, and so pretty much since late 2015,

maybe early: 2016

812

: 00:37:46

have been 100 percent in Bitcoin and

over the years, like if they get any

813

: 00:37:50

money, they, uh, um, they immediately

want to exchange it, uh, into Bitcoin.

814

: 00:37:54

Scott: they want to, or

815

: 00:37:55

Leigh Ann - Jason: so they are, you know,

816

: 00:37:56

Scott: Like, what was

817

: 00:37:57

Leigh Ann - Jason: Oh, no, they want to.

818

: 00:37:58

Scott: They want to.

819

: 00:37:59

Leigh Ann - Jason: they, uh, yeah,

I even double checked with them.

820

: 00:38:01

You sure you don't want to

keep any of that for spending?

821

: 00:38:03

Like I don't have any plans to spend

that in the next like year or whatever.

822

: 00:38:06

So may as well have it as sats.

823

: 00:38:09

Um, they, uh, okay, so here's the story.

824

: 00:38:13

Um, my, uh, um, now 10 year

old daughter, uh, she was four

825

: 00:38:19

or five, uh, at this point.

826

: 00:38:21

She didn't really understand what

was the big deal about Bitcoin.

827

: 00:38:23

Why was I talking about it all the time?

828

: 00:38:26

And, um, oh yeah, we were also, sorry,

side note, uh, side note to the side

829

: 00:38:29

note, we were, uh, you know, we do

family scripture study every night and.

830

: 00:38:34

Almost every single

night for a while there.

831

: 00:38:36

There was something brought up in like

a bible story or something that i'd be

832

: 00:38:40

like You know, that's just like what

satoshi said And you know, basically

833

: 00:38:44

in other words, this is they're talking

about time preference here and uh things

834

: 00:38:48

like that Oh, you know, this is kind of

don't trust verify and all these things

835

: 00:38:52

I'll tell you all these connections

to um, and I was getting eye rolls and

836

: 00:38:56

groans from from everyone um But uh,

but it was still good I think um Anyway

837

: 00:39:04

though, so my daughter asked me at one

point, so what's the big deal about this?

838

: 00:39:07

And so I came up with an analogy

to explain Bitcoin to her.

839

: 00:39:11

She really, really loved, just like

our one year old now, uh, really loved

840

: 00:39:16

having, uh, a banana, uh, every morning.

841

: 00:39:19

She's, one of her favorite

fruits was a banana.

842

: 00:39:21

Well, fun thing about bananas is, you

know, you can buy them green, then

843

: 00:39:24

they get riper, they get more yellow,

and then they start getting spotty,

844

: 00:39:26

and then they start getting all brown

everywhere, and then they start,

845

: 00:39:28

like, really molding and rotting.

846

: 00:39:30

That's a fun thing, yeah.

847

: 00:39:31

Yeah.

848

: 00:39:32

No, that is a fun, that's a fun

fact about, about bananas, yeah.

849

: 00:39:35

Anyway.

850

: 00:39:36

It worked really well to make a

connection between Bitcoin and fiat.

851

: 00:39:42

So I said, I told her, imagine

there was a new kind of banana.

852

: 00:39:46

Um, but this new kind, I think I

called them something like super

853

: 00:39:49

bananas or something, I don't know.

854

: 00:39:51

Where, imagine it's kind of

banana, you get it and it's green.

855

: 00:39:55

And if you peel it and eat it right

then, it doesn't taste all that

856

: 00:39:58

great, it's kind of firm and stuff.

857

: 00:40:00

But if you wait longer,

it turns more yellow.

858

: 00:40:03

If you wait longer, maybe there'll be a

couple little spots just showing it's kind

859

: 00:40:06

of sweet there, but it only gets better.

860

: 00:40:10

It never turns brown.

861

: 00:40:11

It never rots.

862

: 00:40:13

It will only get better

and better and better.

863

: 00:40:16

So And there's nowhere at any

point where the amount that's

864

: 00:40:20

getting better kind of levels off.

865

: 00:40:21

No, it continuously, exponentially just

gets better and better and better every

866

: 00:40:26

day, week, month, year that you store it.

867

: 00:40:29

So then I asked her to imagine that.

868

: 00:40:31

Her eyes got really wide.

869

: 00:40:32

Wow, that'd be so amazing.

870

: 00:40:35

So I said, oh, yeah.

871

: 00:40:36

So I asked her, when would you

ever eat one of those bananas?

872

: 00:40:40

And she said, well, I suppose

only if I really needed to.

873

: 00:40:45

If I didn't have any regular bananas and

uh, but yeah, I would say for as long as

874

: 00:40:49

I could I said, okay, great um uh There's

another question I asked her I forget now.

875

: 00:40:56

Oh, that's actually sorry That

was the second question The first

876

: 00:40:58

question I asked her was how many of

those super bananas would you want?

877

: 00:41:01

And she said oh as many as I can

get so I said, okay great Then

878

: 00:41:05

I asked when would you eat them?

879

: 00:41:06

Like well, I guess only if I really needed

to third question I asked her was how

880

: 00:41:10

many and this is the kicker how many?

881

: 00:41:12

You Regular bananas.

882

: 00:41:14

Can I give you in exchange for

you giving me one super banana?

883

: 00:41:19

And she she was like Then she thought

Infinite no, I would never give you any no

884

: 00:41:27

matter what and i'm like very good girl.

885

: 00:41:29

You understand bitcoin Bitcoins

are super bananas Dollars and all

886

: 00:41:34

the fiats are the regular bananas.

887

: 00:41:35

+They get old, they rot,

they lose their value.

888

: 00:41:38

The longer you hold Bitcoin, the more, the

sweeter and brighter and better it gets.

889

: 00:41:43

And her eyes just lit up.

890

: 00:41:45

She's like, I want all the Bitcoin.

891

: 00:41:47

I'm like, yes, good job, girl.

892

: 00:41:51

And, uh, uh, yeah.

893

: 00:41:53

And so that's when she understood it.

894

: 00:41:54

Her four older brothers, uh, I already

kind of didn't explain that same way,

895

: 00:41:57

but you can explain it similarly.

896

: 00:41:59

Oh, sorry, one year old.

897

: 00:42:02

slipping here.

898

: 00:42:03

Okay, he's fine.

899

: 00:42:05

Um, but, uh, uh, yeah, and so I don't have

to To tell them, you know, like, Hey, you

900

: 00:42:13

should search from dollars to Bitcoin.

901

: 00:42:15

No, there's a, uh, a saying, I don't want

this to give away to any listeners about,

902

: 00:42:21

uh, our religious upbringing, but there's

a saying, uh, in amongst other people

903

: 00:42:26

of same religious background as us, um,

that you should teach correct principles

904

: 00:42:31

and then let people govern themselves.

905

: 00:42:33

And it's kind of a mantra that we've,

uh, or mantra mantra, but yeah,

906

: 00:42:37

a slogan is kind of that we've.

907

: 00:42:39

Um, taken to heart that we teach our

children, um, correct principles,

908

: 00:42:44

just teach them the basic things

and then let them govern themselves.

909

: 00:42:47

We don't want to just totally

like, all right, throw them

910

: 00:42:49

in the swimming pool and swim.

911

: 00:42:50

No, but still, yeah, you

teach them those basic things.

912

: 00:42:54

Or there's another, there's a quote

we heard early on in our marriage,

913

: 00:42:57

um, prepare the child for the

path, not the path for the child.

914

: 00:43:01

And so we, um, We're

still just doing that.

915

: 00:43:05

So when it comes to Bitcoin, when it

comes to anything else that comes up,

916

: 00:43:08

uh, recent, uh, political things, uh,

going on, um, we, we teach what we

917

: 00:43:15

believe are the correct principles.

918

: 00:43:16

And then we invite them to a verify

if those are correct principles and

919

: 00:43:21

be live those principles themselves.

920

: 00:43:24

Scott: That's great.

921

: 00:43:24

Leigh Ann - Jason: Um, and

so as we've done with, with

922

: 00:43:26

Bitcoin and everything else,

923

: 00:43:27

Scott: I love the power of analogy.

924

: 00:43:30

I,

925

: 00:43:31

I,

926

: 00:43:31

I want to use

927

: 00:43:32

Tali: the, the super banana

928

: 00:43:33

story.

929

: 00:43:34

I want some super bananas.

930

: 00:43:36

Well,

931

: 00:43:36

Scott: I

932

: 00:43:36

know you want the super bananas.

933

: 00:43:37

I want to use the super banana story.

934

: 00:43:40

Tali: I know.

935

: 00:43:40

I think we should share

that with our kids.

936

: 00:43:44

We should

937

: 00:43:44

Scott: Not

938

: 00:43:44

just

939

: 00:43:45

our kids.

940

: 00:43:45

I think

941

: 00:43:46

Tali: we're, well, to the,

and everybody else, obviously.

942

: 00:43:49

We'll give Jason credit.

943

: 00:43:49

I'm going to share that

in my women's group.

944

: 00:43:51

Scott: Well,

945

: 00:43:51

we're going to give, we'll give you

946

: 00:43:52

Tali: credit,

947

: 00:43:53

but yes,

948

: 00:43:54

Scott: think that

949

: 00:43:55

Tali: the sellers, super

950

: 00:43:56

Scott: it's, uh, there's so much

power in simplifying something to

951

: 00:44:01

something that people can relate.

952

: 00:44:03

And I think that there's a lot of lip

service to that when you go onto the

953

: 00:44:07

Twitter verse or whatever it is, and

you have your, your meme of the day.

954

: 00:44:12

Tali: But

955

: 00:44:12

Scott: sometimes.

956

: 00:44:14

Tali: The

957

: 00:44:14

short

958

: 00:44:14

Scott: memes, they can

959

: 00:44:15

Tali: capture

960

: 00:44:16

Scott: really good.

961

: 00:44:16

Now

962

: 00:44:16

I've never heard the

super banana story till

963

: 00:44:18

Tali: today.

964

: 00:44:19

And I'm really

965

: 00:44:19

thinking

966

: 00:44:20

Scott: about

967

: 00:44:20

naming this episode

968

: 00:44:21

Tali: Superbananas.

969

: 00:44:22

it's

970

: 00:44:23

Scott: Leanne, Jason, and is

971

: 00:44:24

Tali: and Jason and the Superbananas?

972

: 00:44:25

I

973

: 00:44:25

Scott: bananas.

974

: 00:44:26

It

975

: 00:44:26

sounds like a, like a, like a, uh,

976

: 00:44:28

what

977

: 00:44:28

do

978

: 00:44:28

you call it?

979

: 00:44:28

It sounds like a pop star

group or something, right?

980

: 00:44:32

You know, the super bananas,

981

: 00:44:33

Leigh Ann - Jason: Oh.

982

: 00:44:34

Tali: maybe not.

983

: 00:44:35

Scott: Okay.

984

: 00:44:35

Based on your face, but maybe not.

985

: 00:44:37

Leigh Ann - Jason: All right.

986

: 00:44:38

Comic book.

987

: 00:44:39

Scott: comic book.

988

: 00:44:40

Um, I really do.

989

: 00:44:42

I really, really, really like that.

990

: 00:44:43

And I like the philosophy of

991

: 00:44:46

Tali: teaching

992

: 00:44:46

Scott: them the principles and then

993

: 00:44:47

Tali: they

994

: 00:44:47

govern themselves.

995

: 00:44:48

Let them govern themselves, yeah.

996

: 00:44:49

So I think there's a lot of people

who, even in the homeschooling arena,

997

: 00:44:55

they try to control their kids so

tightly because they are so full of

998

: 00:44:59

fear of what's going on in the world.

999

: 00:45:02

And when they decide to homeschool, that's

their way of protecting their children.

: 1000

00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,140

And then they, they raise

their children like that.

: 1001

00:45:08,825 --> 00:45:09,465

And

: 1002

00:45:09,573 --> 00:45:09,862

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

: 1003

00:45:09,862 --> 00:45:10,150

Mm

: 1004

00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:10,439

hmm.

: 1005

00:45:10,439 --> 00:45:10,727

Um.

: 1006

00:45:10,727 --> 00:45:11,305

Mm hmm.

: 1007

00:45:11,405 --> 00:45:17,125

Tali: and they're getting ready to leave

the nest they are so full of fear But the

: 1008

00:45:17,135 --> 00:45:21,045

fact I love what you said about teaching

them the principles because you can't

: 1009

00:45:21,045 --> 00:45:27,405

protect them forever they have to be able

to discern themselves what they Choose

: 1010

00:45:27,405 --> 00:45:29,495

which path and how they walk the path.

: 1011

00:45:29,545 --> 00:45:30,605

So I love that

: 1012

00:45:30,655 --> 00:45:30,895

Yeah,

: 1013

00:45:31,070 --> 00:45:32,360

Scott: definitely you have

to let them go outside and

: 1014

00:45:32,405 --> 00:45:33,195

Tali: get some bumps and

: 1015

00:45:33,195 --> 00:45:34,545

bruises and it's

: 1016

00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:34,990

Scott: the same

: 1017

00:45:34,990 --> 00:45:35,250

with

: 1018

00:45:35,250 --> 00:45:36,785

You Other kinds of decisions

: 1019

00:45:36,810 --> 00:45:37,230

Tali: as well.

: 1020

00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:37,440

Mm-hmm

: 1021

00:45:37,725 --> 00:45:38,275

Scott: Leah, we're,

: 1022

00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:39,420

Tali: because

: 1023

00:45:39,495 --> 00:45:41,865

Scott: keep smirking while he's

telling all these Bitcoin stories.

: 1024

00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:43,470

Tali: What's where,

: 1025

00:45:43,495 --> 00:45:47,485

Scott: where, where, where are you

guys on, you know, where, where

: 1026

00:45:47,485 --> 00:45:49,105

are you on this, this journey?

: 1027

00:45:50,595 --> 00:45:50,825

You,

: 1028

00:45:50,855 --> 00:45:51,675

are you just supportive?

: 1029

00:45:51,675 --> 00:45:54,405

You go off and play your silly,

your silly super banana games.

: 1030

00:45:54,485 --> 00:45:54,665

And

: 1031

00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:55,710

Tali: we're,

: 1032

00:45:55,715 --> 00:45:55,805

Scott: I'm

: 1033

00:45:55,805 --> 00:45:57,615

going to do the real work

around the house with the kids.

: 1034

00:45:57,615 --> 00:45:58,245

Like what's,

: 1035

00:46:02,475 --> 00:46:04,465

Leigh Ann - Jason: I'm

raising my own super bananas

: 1036

00:46:04,525 --> 00:46:05,155

Scott: uh,

: 1037

00:46:05,165 --> 00:46:05,725

there you go.

: 1038

00:46:05,935 --> 00:46:07,495

Leigh Ann - Jason: because

they're worth more than Bitcoin.

: 1039

00:46:07,735 --> 00:46:07,955

Tali: Uh.

: 1040

00:46:08,635 --> 00:46:08,815

That's

: 1041

00:46:08,815 --> 00:46:09,015

true

: 1042

00:46:09,015 --> 00:46:09,425

There you go.

: 1043

00:46:09,425 --> 00:46:09,805

There you

: 1044

00:46:09,805 --> 00:46:09,995

go.

: 1045

00:46:10,145 --> 00:46:11,985

Scott: why are you doing all

the why saving all that Bitcoin

: 1046

00:46:11,985 --> 00:46:14,545

doesn't do anything if you

don't like what's the point?

: 1047

00:46:14,545 --> 00:46:15,245

Tali: Right Right.

: 1048

00:46:15,265 --> 00:46:15,745

Scott: purpose.

: 1049

00:46:15,845 --> 00:46:17,535

So I

: 1050

00:46:17,765 --> 00:46:18,085

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

: 1051

00:46:18,395 --> 00:46:24,885

So, uh, yeah, my, my focus is on

them a lot, but, um, I love how

: 1052

00:46:25,345 --> 00:46:30,305

the, the principles that Bitcoin

encourages in people are the

: 1053

00:46:30,305 --> 00:46:32,675

same ones that we want our kids.

: 1054

00:46:33,085 --> 00:46:38,185

To be able to live up to those

kind of moral values that, uh, are

: 1055

00:46:38,185 --> 00:46:44,900

encouraged through, um, the stability

of Bitcoin through the, um, all the,

: 1056

00:46:44,905 --> 00:46:49,835

all those different, uh, uh, qualities

of Bitcoin, the mutability and the,

: 1057

00:46:50,255 --> 00:46:52,085

uh, verifiability and everything.

: 1058

00:46:52,355 --> 00:46:53,555

And, uh, I think those.

: 1059

00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:58,605

Those are all things that, um,

that's important for our kids

: 1060

00:46:59,045 --> 00:47:06,415

to be able to, to have that in

order to Um, do well in the world.

: 1061

00:47:06,785 --> 00:47:11,755

And so, uh, I guess, uh, for, for

Jason, he's like a, a fan boy.

: 1062

00:47:11,765 --> 00:47:15,665

He geeks out about Bitcoin and stuff,

but I'm like, I'm, I'm teaching

: 1063

00:47:15,665 --> 00:47:17,145

my kids and I'm implementing it.

: 1064

00:47:17,175 --> 00:47:20,265

And, uh, you know, those

principles, uh, for them.

: 1065

00:47:20,605 --> 00:47:25,605

And, and he does as well, but, uh, it's

more of my focus in teaching them because.

: 1066

00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:28,720

You know, I'm the, I'm the

main homeschool parent.

: 1067

00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:34,570

And then Jason comes in and he,

he adds in his, his, uh, geeky

: 1068

00:47:34,570 --> 00:47:36,480

perspective, which is always fun.

: 1069

00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,010

ell, I noticed, um, from like: 2015

2018, my, my reason for being in Bitcoin

: 1070

00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:44,060

was I wanted to end the Federal Reserve.

: 1071

00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:47,320

I wanted to replace, uh, the Federal

Reserve with Bitcoin and, and

: 1072

00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,660

dollars and Bitcoin, stuff like that.

: 1073

00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:51,320

It was this very external, um, thing.

: 1074

00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,170

I like to think of it as changing

the world from the outside in.

: 1075

00:47:55,940 --> 00:47:58,340

And I would go off about that for a while.

: 1076

00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,830

And my lovely wife here would just be

so patient with me, like, that's nice.

: 1077

00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:04,600

That, yeah, sounds good.

: 1078

00:48:05,605 --> 00:48:05,805

Tali: You

: 1079

00:48:05,805 --> 00:48:05,925

Scott: end

: 1080

00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:06,970

Leigh Ann - Jason: And

not really say much else.

: 1081

00:48:07,125 --> 00:48:07,575

Scott: got it

: 1082

00:48:08,805 --> 00:48:11,705

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, but then,

uh, then I listened to the audio

: 1083

00:48:11,705 --> 00:48:15,755

book of the Bitcoin standard and went

down that rabbit hole about things

: 1084

00:48:15,755 --> 00:48:16,875

like time preference and stuff.

: 1085

00:48:16,875 --> 00:48:20,805

And I realized how much Bitcoin can change

all of us, change the world really from

: 1086

00:48:20,805 --> 00:48:22,705

the inside out by working through us.

: 1087

00:48:23,175 --> 00:48:27,865

When I shared that with, with my wife,

with Leanne here, that's when it was

: 1088

00:48:27,865 --> 00:48:29,795

like, okay, this is, more interesting.

: 1089

00:48:29,795 --> 00:48:32,045

I was seeing more connection, I guess.

: 1090

00:48:32,325 --> 00:48:35,135

Still, she was being her

practical self that she always is.

: 1091

00:48:35,485 --> 00:48:38,295

Uh, and, uh, I was still

being my geeky self.

: 1092

00:48:38,295 --> 00:48:40,315

I just had a new reason

to geek out about Bitcoin.

: 1093

00:48:40,705 --> 00:48:42,425

Um, a better reason, in my opinion.

: 1094

00:48:42,725 --> 00:48:48,005

Um, but, uh, I always like to say, I

came into Bitcoin for the, the political

: 1095

00:48:48,025 --> 00:48:51,835

revolution, but I came in, uh, but

I stayed for the, uh, the personal

: 1096

00:48:51,835 --> 00:48:55,245

revolution or the, the, uh, yeah, so

for the change from the inside out.

: 1097

00:48:55,895 --> 00:48:59,515

But, uh, yeah, that's definitely

where I saw her be more, uh, I

: 1098

00:48:59,585 --> 00:49:01,605

guess, uh, more accepting of Bitcoin.

: 1099

00:49:01,645 --> 00:49:03,195

Eh, you're always accepting of it.

: 1100

00:49:03,575 --> 00:49:05,515

Um, but, uh, yeah.

: 1101

00:49:05,575 --> 00:49:08,215

Just kind of engage more with it.

: 1102

00:49:08,805 --> 00:49:11,295

I tell the story about March: 2020

: 1103

00:49:11,435 --> 00:49:13,905

Yeah, I thought, I thought you would.

: 1104

00:49:13,905 --> 00:49:14,065

As an example.

: 1105

00:49:14,065 --> 00:49:14,395

It sounded like you

: 1106

00:49:14,485 --> 00:49:17,555

Scott: I like I like how he

asked permission before Like,

: 1107

00:49:17,595 --> 00:49:18,555

Leon, you got him so well

: 1108

00:49:18,605 --> 00:49:19,255

Leigh Ann - Jason: want to embarrass

: 1109

00:49:19,275 --> 00:49:19,635

Scott: job.

: 1110

00:49:22,875 --> 00:49:24,025

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, I just

don't want to embarrass her.

: 1111

00:49:24,105 --> 00:49:24,865

At least not too much.

: 1112

00:49:25,105 --> 00:49:30,425

Um, but, uh, um, so March of: 2020

anyone who's been in Bitcoin long

: 1113

00:49:30,425 --> 00:49:32,445

enough, uh, will know what happened then.

: 1114

00:49:32,465 --> 00:49:35,745

Uh, the, the, you know, uh,

all, all the stuff that happened

: 1115

00:49:35,745 --> 00:49:37,125

in: 2020

: 1116

00:49:37,565 --> 00:49:39,765

And, uh, there was a big crash.

: 1117

00:49:39,795 --> 00:49:42,625

Bitcoin's price went down from

somewhere in the 9, 000s to somewhere

: 1118

00:49:42,625 --> 00:49:44,255

in the 4, 000s in a single day.

: 1119

00:49:44,935 --> 00:49:46,555

Um, it was pretty crazy.

: 1120

00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,750

Well, um, I came home from work that

day and just told her, Hey, sweetie.

: 1121

00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:55,490

Um, so I have some news,

not necessarily good or bad.

: 1122

00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:56,640

It just is news.

: 1123

00:49:56,670 --> 00:49:58,370

Like, let me, I was

really nervous about this.

: 1124

00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:03,540

Um, but now I did talking her ear off

about Bitcoin for like five years, uh, by

: 1125

00:50:03,540 --> 00:50:05,280

this power, four and a half years or so.

: 1126

00:50:06,190 --> 00:50:11,960

And, uh, and so I, I showed her the chart

and says, yeah, so this happened today.

: 1127

00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,735

And, um, Yeah, so what do you think?

: 1128

00:50:15,295 --> 00:50:23,505

Her response was So, what you're telling

me is We can afford to buy more now And

: 1129

00:50:24,535 --> 00:50:29,205

Yes, exactly That's exactly my response

Listeners don't know what Scott's doing

: 1130

00:50:29,435 --> 00:50:31,935

But, uh, yeah I was cheering inside.

: 1131

00:50:32,215 --> 00:50:38,595

I think I just sighed said, Oh, I love

you That's what I said But, uh, yes,

: 1132

00:50:38,615 --> 00:50:40,995

inside I was just like Yes All right

: 1133

00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:41,790

Tali: I

: 1134

00:50:41,795 --> 00:50:44,995

Scott: thought you were going to go like,

you know, she's like, so you just cut her,

: 1135

00:50:45,135 --> 00:50:46,955

you just cut her child savings in half

: 1136

00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,310

Tali: is what you're saying.

: 1137

00:50:47,330 --> 00:50:47,560

Like,

: 1138

00:50:47,595 --> 00:50:48,895

Scott: That's where I

thought you were going.

: 1139

00:50:48,895 --> 00:50:50,715

And then when you said that,

I was like, so excited.

: 1140

00:50:50,805 --> 00:50:53,555

I'm like, yes.

: 1141

00:50:54,475 --> 00:50:56,275

Leigh Ann - Jason: this is like

that meme where it is just like

: 1142

00:50:56,275 --> 00:50:59,995

the, the woman crying, and it's

like, Bitcoin just dropped 20%.

: 1143

00:51:00,085 --> 00:51:02,965

I'm only, you know, 349% up.

: 1144

00:51:03,805 --> 00:51:10,015

Uh, like, and uh, it was a bit like

that, but, uh, but that wasn't what.

: 1145

00:51:10,485 --> 00:51:11,795

she was caring about.

: 1146

00:51:11,945 --> 00:51:15,035

She saw it like, well, this

is a dip we can buy, right?

: 1147

00:51:16,855 --> 00:51:22,035

And in such a practical way, never geeking

out about Bitcoin like I do, and yet

: 1148

00:51:22,035 --> 00:51:23,685

still seeing it for what it actually is.

: 1149

00:51:23,685 --> 00:51:24,835

I'm like, Oh, why?

: 1150

00:51:24,855 --> 00:51:25,345

Yes.

: 1151

00:51:25,375 --> 00:51:25,945

Like chef's kiss.

: 1152

00:51:26,115 --> 00:51:26,375

Yes.

: 1153

00:51:26,615 --> 00:51:27,565

Scott: amazing.

: 1154

00:51:28,535 --> 00:51:29,805

That's a great story.

: 1155

00:51:29,835 --> 00:51:30,785

Why would you be embarrassed?

: 1156

00:51:30,815 --> 00:51:31,675

That's awesome.

: 1157

00:51:34,295 --> 00:51:34,655

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

: 1158

00:51:34,705 --> 00:51:36,695

I don't think I've ever been

embarrassed to that story.

: 1159

00:51:36,695 --> 00:51:37,874

Okay.

: 1160

00:51:37,875 --> 00:51:38,315

Okay.

: 1161

00:51:38,505 --> 00:51:38,845

But,

: 1162

00:51:38,915 --> 00:51:39,305

um,

: 1163

00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:40,810

Scott: it tells people how smart you are.

: 1164

00:51:40,830 --> 00:51:44,260

You, you not, a lot of

people don't get that at all.

: 1165

00:51:44,260 --> 00:51:46,180

Even after you tell them, they

don't tell them, you know?

: 1166

00:51:46,675 --> 00:51:48,815

Leigh Ann - Jason: yeah, yeah.

: 1167

00:51:49,095 --> 00:51:54,545

I know there have been so many things that

we've been through and, you know, hard

: 1168

00:51:54,545 --> 00:51:58,895

things happen after a hard time and we've

moved so many different places, especially

: 1169

00:51:58,895 --> 00:52:00,685

like early on in our marriage and stuff.

: 1170

00:52:02,145 --> 00:52:06,095

And through it all, we were

able to get through it.

: 1171

00:52:06,095 --> 00:52:13,695

And I feel like it was God's hand in

our life, guiding us along the way.

: 1172

00:52:14,495 --> 00:52:21,490

And so I've I've always had

that trust in God, even when

: 1173

00:52:21,740 --> 00:52:23,590

Jason had a harder time with it.

: 1174

00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,000

I was, I was just saying, no,

God's going to get us through this.

: 1175

00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:28,320

So it's going to be okay.

: 1176

00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:31,610

And so with that perspective,

when he says that, I'm like,

: 1177

00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:33,530

well, it dipped for a reason.

: 1178

00:52:33,865 --> 00:52:38,865

And, and, uh, you know, God,

all things happen for a reason.

: 1179

00:52:38,955 --> 00:52:41,225

God knows that that was going to happen.

: 1180

00:52:41,445 --> 00:52:44,885

And he knows that we're going to

be able to put more in it now.

: 1181

00:52:45,175 --> 00:52:50,775

And so we can trust him with it because

all that we have is from him anyway.

: 1182

00:52:51,295 --> 00:52:53,875

And so he's making that

possible for us to save more.

: 1183

00:52:54,535 --> 00:52:55,208

Scott: Wow.

: 1184

00:52:55,208 --> 00:52:55,881

Hmm.

: 1185

00:52:55,935 --> 00:52:57,265

Leigh Ann - Jason: That's,

yeah, to save more.

: 1186

00:52:57,265 --> 00:53:00,635

That's actually the way we've seen Bitcoin

since, oh,: 2016

: 1187

00:53:00,695 --> 00:53:04,495

It's just a savings account, not a trading

vehicle or anything else like that.

: 1188

00:53:04,505 --> 00:53:05,765

That's just how we save.

: 1189

00:53:06,345 --> 00:53:08,365

Which goes to the point that

a lot of Bitcoiners have made

: 1190

00:53:08,365 --> 00:53:13,065

that in a fiat system, you

have to invest just to survive.

: 1191

00:53:13,310 --> 00:53:16,060

You have to put money in housing, you

have to put money in the stock market,

: 1192

00:53:16,060 --> 00:53:20,080

you have to do, you have to play

all these games in a perfectly fiat,

: 1193

00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,450

not fiat, in a non fiat world, in a

perfectly bitcoin world, everyone's

: 1194

00:53:24,450 --> 00:53:27,100

on a bitcoin standard, you just save.

: 1195

00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:32,030

You just, you, uh, spend less

than you earn, you just save the

: 1196

00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:33,880

rest for a rainy day, and you win.

: 1197

00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:34,450

Scott: Yeah.

: 1198

00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:35,080

Do

: 1199

00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:35,730

your kids,

: 1200

00:53:35,810 --> 00:53:36,660

Leigh Ann - Jason: life is so simple.

: 1201

00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:37,280

Tali: the

: 1202

00:53:37,330 --> 00:53:38,370

Scott: story you just told?

: 1203

00:53:39,590 --> 00:53:39,740

Do

: 1204

00:53:39,740 --> 00:53:39,920

your

: 1205

00:53:40,005 --> 00:53:41,535

Leigh Ann - Jason: they were

right there when it happened.

: 1206

00:53:41,535 --> 00:53:45,165

Yeah, it was, it was, uh, at our,

it was, uh, here at our, uh, dinner

: 1207

00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:46,190

Scott: Think about what you

: 1208

00:53:46,245 --> 00:53:46,895

Leigh Ann - Jason: that conversation.

: 1209

00:53:47,410 --> 00:53:48,190

Scott: Think about that

: 1210

00:53:48,190 --> 00:53:48,760

lesson,

: 1211

00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,750

like how valuable that lesson is.

: 1212

00:53:50,820 --> 00:53:54,180

So not only about Bitcoin, but how

: 1213

00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:56,560

the relationship

: 1214

00:53:56,570 --> 00:54:01,870

between the spouse, the spouses and

how to handle difficult news and

: 1215

00:54:02,260 --> 00:54:02,470

what

: 1216

00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:03,800

could have been difficult news and,

: 1217

00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:04,760

and things

: 1218

00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,750

like that, that's a really powerful,

: 1219

00:54:07,505 --> 00:54:07,695

Tali: that's

: 1220

00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,600

Scott: really powerful thing for them

to witness that you're not gonna be

: 1221

00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,020

able to teach in a textbook somewhere.

: 1222

00:54:13,410 --> 00:54:14,530

They saw mom and dad,

: 1223

00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:15,660

Tali: This

: 1224

00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:15,940

Scott: is what

: 1225

00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:16,490

happened.

: 1226

00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:17,640

Tali: And then

: 1227

00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:20,760

Scott: they now understand

the implications of that.

: 1228

00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:23,020

And you can't take that away from them.

: 1229

00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:26,490

That's, that's their, part of their

framework on the, on the world.

: 1230

00:54:26,650 --> 00:54:28,160

And that's a really,

really powerful thing.

: 1231

00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:28,710

So.

: 1232

00:54:29,585 --> 00:54:31,080

Leigh Ann - Jason: It goes back

to what I was saying, that you

: 1233

00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,180

can't learn by regurgitation.

: 1234

00:54:33,180 --> 00:54:36,570

You can't learn by just uploading

kung fu into someone's brain.

: 1235

00:54:36,570 --> 00:54:40,170

There has to be the, the practice,

the time, the experience.

: 1236

00:54:40,290 --> 00:54:43,920

It's fun to imagine in a movie like

The Matrix, but, uh, uh, but no,

: 1237

00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,745

there has to be the, those, um, uh,

all, all the nuances of different.

: 1238

00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:49,980

things.

: 1239

00:54:49,980 --> 00:54:54,090

And so, yeah, I've sometimes imagined

what will my kids with their spouses,

: 1240

00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:57,320

what would their lives be like when they

come up against something difficult?

: 1241

00:54:57,610 --> 00:55:00,740

What will their minds process from

memories like that and many others?

: 1242

00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:05,420

Um, that all I, I hope and pray will

just, just make it so that their,

: 1243

00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,360

um, relationships with their spouses

and with their children, uh, will be

: 1244

00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:10,940

even better than what we've enjoyed.

: 1245

00:55:11,050 --> 00:55:11,880

Scott: That's beautiful.

: 1246

00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:12,950

Here's what I propose.

: 1247

00:55:13,630 --> 00:55:14,070

Tali: Um,

: 1248

00:55:15,015 --> 00:55:15,245

I want

: 1249

00:55:15,260 --> 00:55:17,390

Scott: to see if, is there

anything that we didn't cover

: 1250

00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:18,790

about your experiences, the

: 1251

00:55:19,410 --> 00:55:22,730

particular challenge or a resource or

something that you wanted to share?

: 1252

00:55:23,530 --> 00:55:24,980

And then before we

: 1253

00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:26,150

sign off,

: 1254

00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:29,260

Jason, I want you to give a chance

just to, if you could just, because

: 1255

00:55:29,260 --> 00:55:32,150

it is a Bitcoin show, just touch

on a couple of the projects that

: 1256

00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:34,100

are in your, your scope, right?

: 1257

00:55:34,110 --> 00:55:35,140

Your scope right now.

: 1258

00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:40,040

So do we miss anything that if you,

if you were sitting down with people

: 1259

00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,210

who are just about to start a couple

that was just starting their family,

: 1260

00:55:44,185 --> 00:55:48,685

Um, and they were, they were on the

fence about, about homeschooling.

: 1261

00:55:48,695 --> 00:55:50,535

Is there anything we missed that

you would want to share with them?

: 1262

00:55:51,310 --> 00:55:54,200

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah, I know I,

I, uh, talked to Tali about this, um,

: 1263

00:55:54,460 --> 00:55:55,890

uh, last night when we were talking.

: 1264

00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:02,810

But, um, uh, there are a lot of people

who are considering homeschooling.

: 1265

00:56:02,890 --> 00:56:07,380

And they, uh, when, when I talk to

them about it, or, or maybe they're

: 1266

00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:10,910

not considering it, but they know

it's an option, but they've talked

: 1267

00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:14,000

themselves out of it because they

think it's going to be too hard.

: 1268

00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:17,140

And I'm like, oh.

: 1269

00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,820

I know that feeling because that was me.

: 1270

00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:29,210

And, um, what, what I found is that

homeschooling is what you make it.

: 1271

00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:34,800

Um, you don't have to go with

someone else's curriculum.

: 1272

00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,520

Now, I think a lot of people

who are going into it new and

: 1273

00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:40,830

they don't know what to do.

: 1274

00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,960

They're like, I don't

know about resources.

: 1275

00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,190

I don't know where to look for things.

: 1276

00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:45,110

They'll just go to.

: 1277

00:56:45,555 --> 00:56:53,035

to um, a full curriculum that they,

that, that they find someone suggests

: 1278

00:56:53,035 --> 00:56:55,605

to them or something so that they

have it all planned out for them.

: 1279

00:56:57,025 --> 00:57:01,265

Now, um, if, if that's the way that

they want to go, there's one that

: 1280

00:57:01,265 --> 00:57:08,515

I know of that is, um, Basically,

you open up the book and you start

: 1281

00:57:08,515 --> 00:57:10,035

and you do the lesson for that day.

: 1282

00:57:10,105 --> 00:57:13,735

So there's almost like

basically no prep work at all.

: 1283

00:57:14,275 --> 00:57:20,960

Um, and it also integrates different,

um, Uh, different subjects into, like,

: 1284

00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:26,500

their literature courses, their, um,

yeah, language arts and phonics and

: 1285

00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:33,750

science, and you, they also have,

their language arts is free from K

: 1286

00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:39,740

through 8th grade, and their math

is free from K through 7th grade.

: 1287

00:57:40,450 --> 00:57:42,390

And that's the good and the beautiful.

: 1288

00:57:42,875 --> 00:57:47,075

Curriculum, which is,

it was up to its name.

: 1289

00:57:47,885 --> 00:57:48,805

Scott: You

: 1290

00:57:48,835 --> 00:57:49,785

Leigh Ann - Jason: it's really good.

: 1291

00:57:50,005 --> 00:57:58,035

So it's a Christian based and it

was started by a mom who, uh, saw

: 1292

00:57:58,035 --> 00:58:01,585

the kinds of books that her children

were bringing home from school

: 1293

00:58:01,585 --> 00:58:02,955

that they were assigned to read.

: 1294

00:58:02,965 --> 00:58:05,405

And she was like, these

are not good books.

: 1295

00:58:06,365 --> 00:58:07,685

These have all kinds of mess in them.

: 1296

00:58:07,695 --> 00:58:13,185

Even like the ones for like, Early

grade schoolers, like second and

: 1297

00:58:13,185 --> 00:58:15,875

third grade, she's like, they

should not be reading these things.

: 1298

00:58:16,325 --> 00:58:19,915

They do not have high moral

value and good character in them.

: 1299

00:58:20,245 --> 00:58:22,385

They're, they're not good

examples for my children.

: 1300

00:58:22,695 --> 00:58:23,935

And so she started.

: 1301

00:58:25,235 --> 00:58:30,145

Slowly putting together this curriculum

first focusing on language arts and then

: 1302

00:58:30,145 --> 00:58:35,005

branching out and so now it's basically

a whole curriculum Where there's still

: 1303

00:58:35,005 --> 00:58:40,675

developing some of the high school stuff,

but yeah a lot of it they provide for free

: 1304

00:58:41,705 --> 00:58:48,165

and so that's a good one if you're looking

for a full curriculum where you Hopefully

: 1305

00:58:48,165 --> 00:58:54,745

won't feel overwhelmed With it, because

you don't have to do prep for the lessons.

: 1306

00:58:54,745 --> 00:58:58,475

You just open up the book and there

it is, or, uh, the PDF, which you

: 1307

00:58:58,475 --> 00:59:00,005

can download from free on the site.

: 1308

00:59:00,005 --> 00:59:06,605

Um, one, one story I'd like to

share, uh, also share this with

: 1309

00:59:06,785 --> 00:59:09,705

Tali last night about my oldest son.

: 1310

00:59:10,665 --> 00:59:14,995

So, um, I was, uh,

teaching him how to read.

: 1311

00:59:15,005 --> 00:59:22,640

And I had learned from, um, I had been

a substitute teacher before I had him,

: 1312

00:59:23,470 --> 00:59:28,660

and in, within substitute teaching I

learned about a resource called Starfall.

: 1313

00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:29,080

com.

: 1314

00:59:30,110 --> 00:59:32,110

I don't know if you

guys have heard of that.

: 1315

00:59:32,730 --> 00:59:38,345

Um, Okay, this one is so Good, I think.

: 1316

00:59:38,655 --> 00:59:44,845

It was actually, so it's a non profit,

and it was started up by a man who, when

: 1317

00:59:44,845 --> 00:59:48,925

he was a child, he had dyslexia and he

had a hard time learning how to read.

: 1318

00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,060

And so he started up, uh, uh, Starfall.

: 1319

00:59:54,060 --> 00:59:57,270

com as a curriculum to, to help children.

: 1320

00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,560

It's interactive and it's engaging.

: 1321

01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:03,440

They, um, originally had it

just as a website, but then as

: 1322

01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:06,980

apps became more popular, it's

available as an app now as well.

: 1323

01:00:07,850 --> 01:00:11,720

Um, if you want access to, there's,

there's a lot of the resources that

: 1324

01:00:11,730 --> 01:00:15,500

are available, especially within the

language arts, and this goes through.

: 1325

01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,440

It's, uh, fifth grade, I think.

: 1326

01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,380

So K through fifth grade.

: 1327

01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:26,150

And, um, and it's language

arts and music and math.

: 1328

01:00:27,260 --> 01:00:32,310

And, uh, most of the language arts,

if not all of it is totally free.

: 1329

01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,680

And then it's 35 a year.

: 1330

01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:39,840

If you want to pay into it because

it's a nonprofit, they don't ask.

: 1331

01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:46,810

for that much for the, for, um, uh,

uh, access to all of their resources.

: 1332

01:00:47,850 --> 01:00:51,795

And so I had already known about

this from Uh, from substitute

: 1333

01:00:51,795 --> 01:00:53,265

teaching, I had learned about it.

: 1334

01:00:53,645 --> 01:00:59,975

And so, that's what I started my first

child on when he was learning to read.

: 1335

01:01:00,845 --> 01:01:04,595

I just let him get on the computer

and do stuff on Starfall, the, the

: 1336

01:01:04,595 --> 01:01:09,175

different interactive activities that

they have, and learning different phonics

: 1337

01:01:09,185 --> 01:01:10,515

of different letters and everything.

: 1338

01:01:11,665 --> 01:01:14,895

I, I feel like he taught himself

how to read, that I didn't

: 1339

01:01:14,895 --> 01:01:16,585

really have to do much at all.

: 1340

01:01:17,955 --> 01:01:19,435

And it was amazing.

: 1341

01:01:19,635 --> 01:01:24,055

Like, one day we, when, uh, I think

you did more than you're giving

: 1342

01:01:24,195 --> 01:01:25,385

yourself credit for, but yeah.

: 1343

01:01:26,255 --> 01:01:29,265

Well, I don't, I felt like

I didn't do very much.

: 1344

01:01:29,945 --> 01:01:30,355

Scott: found the right

: 1345

01:01:30,555 --> 01:01:31,975

Leigh Ann - Jason: But one day we go in.

: 1346

01:01:32,755 --> 01:01:32,895

Tali: It

: 1347

01:01:32,895 --> 01:01:34,855

Scott: takes time to find

the right resources, though.

: 1348

01:01:34,855 --> 01:01:36,595

I mean, to Jason's point,

: 1349

01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:37,100

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

: 1350

01:01:37,935 --> 01:01:38,245

Tali: the,

: 1351

01:01:38,805 --> 01:01:39,205

a huge

: 1352

01:01:39,205 --> 01:01:42,485

Scott: part of what I saw Tali work on was

: 1353

01:01:43,145 --> 01:01:43,455

Tali: she would

: 1354

01:01:43,465 --> 01:01:44,825

Scott: spend hours and hours

: 1355

01:01:45,495 --> 01:01:45,935

Tali: looking

: 1356

01:01:45,935 --> 01:01:49,655

Scott: for resources, either online

or at the library or were talking

: 1357

01:01:49,655 --> 01:01:51,555

to other homeschooling moms.

: 1358

01:01:52,515 --> 01:01:55,125

It's because you have so much flexibility

: 1359

01:01:55,795 --> 01:01:55,965

Tali: It

: 1360

01:01:55,965 --> 01:01:59,415

Scott: actually is work to figure

out how do you get through all

: 1361

01:01:59,415 --> 01:02:02,475

the noise to figure out what's

the right resource for your kids.

: 1362

01:02:02,565 --> 01:02:02,945

So

: 1363

01:02:03,655 --> 01:02:04,015

Tali: that

: 1364

01:02:04,015 --> 01:02:04,725

Scott: actually is a,

: 1365

01:02:05,665 --> 01:02:05,965

Tali: it's,

: 1366

01:02:06,015 --> 01:02:08,705

Scott: it's one thing to say, I

found the right, I found the diamond.

: 1367

01:02:08,985 --> 01:02:09,285

Yeah.

: 1368

01:02:09,325 --> 01:02:11,305

But if you're the person who

knows how to get the diamond,

: 1369

01:02:12,105 --> 01:02:12,345

Tali: like

: 1370

01:02:12,475 --> 01:02:13,245

Scott: that's a big deal.

: 1371

01:02:13,575 --> 01:02:17,725

So, um, it, it takes, you know,

to find the right tool, the

: 1372

01:02:17,725 --> 01:02:18,945

right things, the right resource.

: 1373

01:02:20,045 --> 01:02:21,345

So to Jason's

: 1374

01:02:21,555 --> 01:02:23,305

Leigh Ann - Jason: Well,

Starfall didn't work.

: 1375

01:02:24,045 --> 01:02:25,965

Yeah, thanks.

: 1376

01:02:25,965 --> 01:02:29,295

Yeah, well, Starfield didn't

work as well with my other kids.

: 1377

01:02:29,295 --> 01:02:31,845

I feel like, I was like, oh, it's magic.

: 1378

01:02:31,845 --> 01:02:36,185

It teaches them how to read because, you

know, I, I felt that way with my oldest.

: 1379

01:02:36,275 --> 01:02:41,995

So then when it was taking longer for

my old, my other kids to learn how

: 1380

01:02:41,995 --> 01:02:43,785

to read, I was like, what's wrong?

: 1381

01:02:43,795 --> 01:02:46,215

It's not working as well.

: 1382

01:02:47,725 --> 01:02:57,640

Um, but I think for them, um, They

still liked it, but they needed a little

: 1383

01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,980

bit more one on one and interaction.

: 1384

01:03:00,010 --> 01:03:06,390

And as I was patient with them, um,

and let them, I think it's one of the

: 1385

01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:12,720

things that helped me to go more toward

the unschooling, was seeing how they're

: 1386

01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:17,130

learning differently, and if I try

to push them too much, And then I get

: 1387

01:03:17,130 --> 01:03:20,900

stressed out, and they get stressed

out, and then nobody's happy, and

: 1388

01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:22,830

they're not learning anything anyway.

: 1389

01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:23,200

Tali: I

: 1390

01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:23,920

Scott: think it's beautiful.

: 1391

01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:27,270

Look at, I, I think about, again,

I, I'm not trying to beat up on,

: 1392

01:03:27,310 --> 01:03:30,920

I know there's good people who are

in public schools trying to teach.

: 1393

01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,160

I'm not trying to bash that, but as

a system, even if you have somebody

: 1394

01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,950

with good intent, take out any kind of

political agendas or things like that.

: 1395

01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:41,740

you're teaching 20 or 30 kids,

: 1396

01:03:42,290 --> 01:03:42,490

you're

: 1397

01:03:42,490 --> 01:03:44,350

going to have to pick a

program and that's it.

: 1398

01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:45,770

You're going to have to go, go

: 1399

01:03:45,790 --> 01:03:46,120

Leigh Ann - Jason: Right.

: 1400

01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:46,710

Mm

: 1401

01:03:47,110 --> 01:03:49,280

Scott: versus what you're

describing, which is.

: 1402

01:03:49,765 --> 01:03:50,695

one on one.

: 1403

01:03:51,435 --> 01:03:53,405

If, if this program works

for you, then great.

: 1404

01:03:53,415 --> 01:03:55,965

If it doesn't, I'm adjusting

the program for you.

: 1405

01:03:57,025 --> 01:03:57,575

Tali: If you

: 1406

01:03:57,615 --> 01:04:02,145

Scott: don't have that as a kid, it's,

it's almost up, it's almost luck whether

: 1407

01:04:02,145 --> 01:04:06,345

or not the program that has been chosen

by whoever's doing the group teaching

: 1408

01:04:06,725 --> 01:04:09,215

selects ones, selects a method that you

: 1409

01:04:09,975 --> 01:04:10,405

Tali: happen

: 1410

01:04:10,415 --> 01:04:11,535

Scott: to work well with.

: 1411

01:04:12,125 --> 01:04:12,395

Tali: Whereas

: 1412

01:04:12,395 --> 01:04:16,075

Scott: what I hear you describing is, this

worked really well with kid number one.

: 1413

01:04:16,355 --> 01:04:19,605

Kid number two, I had to adjust fire

a little bit here and we did this.

: 1414

01:04:20,195 --> 01:04:20,835

And you're,

: 1415

01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:21,800

Leigh Ann - Jason: Mm hmm.

: 1416

01:04:22,355 --> 01:04:22,585

Tali: you're

: 1417

01:04:22,775 --> 01:04:27,465

Scott: of, you're kind of guiding them

depending on their particular needs,

: 1418

01:04:28,115 --> 01:04:28,785

Tali: their learning

: 1419

01:04:28,785 --> 01:04:29,785

styles, their learning,

: 1420

01:04:29,865 --> 01:04:31,165

Scott: all the individual things.

: 1421

01:04:32,075 --> 01:04:33,305

And I think that's really powerful.

: 1422

01:04:33,315 --> 01:04:34,565

I, I just think that's,

: 1423

01:04:35,090 --> 01:04:35,200

Leigh Ann - Jason: Mm

: 1424

01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:35,420

hmm.

: 1425

01:04:36,005 --> 01:04:36,154

Scott: I'm

: 1426

01:04:36,154 --> 01:04:40,015

not trying to bash on the public

schools, but if you put 20, 30 or

: 1427

01:04:40,015 --> 01:04:41,805

whatever number of people into a room,

: 1428

01:04:42,505 --> 01:04:43,185

Tali: it's very

: 1429

01:04:43,185 --> 01:04:44,815

Scott: unlikely they're all

going to learn the same way.

: 1430

01:04:44,835 --> 01:04:47,904

And you happen to pick just that

one method that works for everybody.

: 1431

01:04:48,580 --> 01:04:48,810

Tali: There's

: 1432

01:04:48,815 --> 01:04:52,125

Scott: no way a teacher could possibly

give one on one attention to 20 people.

: 1433

01:04:53,345 --> 01:04:54,235

They don't have the time.

: 1434

01:04:54,265 --> 01:04:55,195

They don't have the resources.

: 1435

01:04:56,025 --> 01:04:56,295

And I

: 1436

01:04:56,315 --> 01:04:56,995

think it's just,

: 1437

01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:57,630

Tali: you

: 1438

01:04:57,630 --> 01:04:57,810

know, a

: 1439

01:04:57,815 --> 01:04:58,935

Scott: parent loves their child.

: 1440

01:04:58,935 --> 01:05:00,215

They're going to find what works for them.

: 1441

01:05:01,190 --> 01:05:01,529

Tali: And there's

: 1442

01:05:01,529 --> 01:05:02,790

Scott: a lot of choices out there.

: 1443

01:05:02,910 --> 01:05:03,840

It takes time to find it,

: 1444

01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:04,160

but,

: 1445

01:05:04,770 --> 01:05:04,900

Tali: and

: 1446

01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:05,610

Scott: then you just share it.

: 1447

01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,130

Here's what it worked for my kids.

: 1448

01:05:07,210 --> 01:05:08,100

Like you just did.

: 1449

01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:08,950

Tali: Somebody

: 1450

01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:10,950

Scott: else listens to that and

they say, now they go try it.

: 1451

01:05:11,420 --> 01:05:12,930

Someone will say, I tried it.

: 1452

01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:14,640

Didn't work with my kid.

: 1453

01:05:14,810 --> 01:05:15,070

Okay.

: 1454

01:05:15,070 --> 01:05:15,440

Whatever.

: 1455

01:05:16,135 --> 01:05:16,904

Tali: But if

: 1456

01:05:16,904 --> 01:05:17,085

there's

: 1457

01:05:17,130 --> 01:05:19,779

Scott: parent out there that

listens to it and it works, Hey,

: 1458

01:05:20,695 --> 01:05:20,855

Tali: like

: 1459

01:05:20,860 --> 01:05:21,740

Scott: that's a big deal for them.

: 1460

01:05:22,029 --> 01:05:25,200

You made a difference in that kid's life

because they have the right resource.

: 1461

01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:25,510

So

: 1462

01:05:26,955 --> 01:05:26,985

Tali: a

: 1463

01:05:26,985 --> 01:05:27,625

lot of, a lot of, a

: 1464

01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,220

Scott: a lot of layers to, to that.

: 1465

01:05:29,305 --> 01:05:32,455

Tali: So you were, you were going

: 1466

01:05:32,491 --> 01:05:33,718

Scott: you were going to,

: 1467

01:05:33,895 --> 01:05:35,665

Tali: she was still sharing

about her second kid.

: 1468

01:05:35,865 --> 01:05:36,171

Scott: kid,

: 1469

01:05:36,195 --> 01:05:36,315

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

: 1470

01:05:36,315 --> 01:05:37,115

Yeah.

: 1471

01:05:37,115 --> 01:05:38,435

It's still more after Starfall.

: 1472

01:05:39,415 --> 01:05:40,125

I'm going to start all.

: 1473

01:05:40,154 --> 01:05:40,475

com.

: 1474

01:05:40,625 --> 01:05:40,875

Yeah.

: 1475

01:05:42,695 --> 01:05:42,955

Yeah.

: 1476

01:05:42,955 --> 01:05:49,825

Well, um, So I, I guess what, what

I kind of transitioned into for,

: 1477

01:05:49,895 --> 01:05:56,465

um, I guess the, the next four,

uh, after, after our oldest was.

: 1478

01:05:57,025 --> 01:06:00,395

Looking searching for more,

uh, early reader books.

: 1479

01:06:01,505 --> 01:06:05,385

There was one really cute one, and free

ones, so you can print them off offline.

: 1480

01:06:06,650 --> 01:06:11,450

And you don't have to, uh, you

know, pay so much for some of

: 1481

01:06:11,450 --> 01:06:12,400

the ones that you need to buy.

: 1482

01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:17,340

Um, there was one really cute

one that starts out super simple

: 1483

01:06:17,410 --> 01:06:19,190

and they're called Icy Sam.

: 1484

01:06:20,540 --> 01:06:27,840

And, uh, and, uh, let's see, I, I,

I had the, the link, but I don't

: 1485

01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,060

have it in front of me, but, uh,

You can share it with me later.

: 1486

01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:33,950

And then, uh, Scott, I can share with

you, you can put in the show notes.

: 1487

01:06:33,965 --> 01:06:34,185

Tali: yep.

: 1488

01:06:34,365 --> 01:06:35,654

Anything you think of, just send it,

: 1489

01:06:35,705 --> 01:06:36,295

Scott: send it over,

: 1490

01:06:36,425 --> 01:06:36,675

yeah.

: 1491

01:06:36,675 --> 01:06:38,205

Mm,

: 1492

01:06:38,810 --> 01:06:41,720

Leigh Ann - Jason: but the I See Sam

books are these really simple readers.

: 1493

01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,130

They start out with three words.

: 1494

01:06:43,410 --> 01:06:44,480

I see Sam.

: 1495

01:06:44,750 --> 01:06:50,340

And it's like this whole little story

talking about this, it's, uh, the main

: 1496

01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:58,010

character is this mouse and he sees

Sam and Sam is the, uh, is a, uh, lion.

: 1497

01:06:58,980 --> 01:07:01,070

And so he's like, See?

: 1498

01:07:02,070 --> 01:07:02,900

I see.

: 1499

01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:04,510

I see Sam.

: 1500

01:07:04,790 --> 01:07:10,200

And the illustrations just tell everything

about the story because Sam is sleeping.

: 1501

01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:16,330

And the mouse goes and wakes

Sam up and then of course he's,

: 1502

01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:18,880

he's all angry and roaring.

: 1503

01:07:19,130 --> 01:07:20,650

He's like, Sam!

: 1504

01:07:20,650 --> 01:07:23,001

He's running away from it.

: 1505

01:07:23,001 --> 01:07:28,445

Using very simple language, help them to

learn basic vowel sounds, like there'll

: 1506

01:07:28,445 --> 01:07:32,855

be one book where like a whole bunch of

like, uh, uh, like the, the uh, or the,

: 1507

01:07:32,915 --> 01:07:37,455

uh, the, you know, the ah, like Sam, uh,

kind of, kind of vowel sounds and stuff.

: 1508

01:07:37,725 --> 01:07:39,620

So help them learn vowel

sounds and consonants.

: 1509

01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:42,215

This is for like the

most basic early reader.

: 1510

01:07:42,904 --> 01:07:45,465

Yeah, and then they, they

each build on each other.

: 1511

01:07:45,465 --> 01:07:48,625

And so you're getting a little bit

more, you'll have like all those

: 1512

01:07:48,645 --> 01:07:53,425

words, and then you'll add like

one, or maybe two for the next book.

: 1513

01:07:54,045 --> 01:07:55,845

And then it just builds on them.

: 1514

01:07:55,885 --> 01:07:59,775

And so it's a really good one

for a starter, uh, reader.

: 1515

01:07:59,775 --> 01:08:04,395

And I found that, uh, that a lot

of our kids like to have that, you

: 1516

01:08:04,395 --> 01:08:09,885

know, instead of having the more

interactive, uh, screen, uh, stuff,

: 1517

01:08:09,885 --> 01:08:13,675

they liked having an actual book

there where they could practice.

: 1518

01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,140

They could practice the words and they

could just sit down sometimes and read

: 1519

01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:21,990

them if they wanted to, to practice on

their own, or they could practice with me.

: 1520

01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:27,460

And so it made it a little bit, uh,

more flexible and nice for, um, for

: 1521

01:08:27,460 --> 01:08:29,000

those kids and was better for them.

: 1522

01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,055

And then for my, um,

For my fourth and fifth.

: 1523

01:08:34,104 --> 01:08:39,565

It took them a little bit longer to

even read than for my second and third.

: 1524

01:08:39,975 --> 01:08:43,145

And so I was, I was a

little concerned for them.

: 1525

01:08:43,795 --> 01:08:48,840

And that's when I decided I'm going to

try out some of the Um, the good and

: 1526

01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,920

the beautiful language arts curriculum.

: 1527

01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:56,840

And so we would just open it up

and we would do a lesson each day.

: 1528

01:08:57,250 --> 01:09:01,600

And so we tried it out and we liked it,

but it kind of like fizzled out because

: 1529

01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,880

then they started reading on their own

after, I don't know, it was a few months.

: 1530

01:09:06,790 --> 01:09:09,069

They started reading on their own

and we're like, okay, they're good.

: 1531

01:09:10,065 --> 01:09:14,295

You also bring up a really good point

there that, uh, sometimes, um, well not

: 1532

01:09:14,295 --> 01:09:20,555

sometimes, everyone will excel in certain

areas, but, But then became I guess weak

: 1533

01:09:20,604 --> 01:09:25,425

or need work in other areas and that's

perfectly fine That is literally the

: 1534

01:09:25,425 --> 01:09:29,835

story of every single human being We're

all like that and so for any parents

: 1535

01:09:29,835 --> 01:09:34,015

listening to this who their child is great

at reading but not great at math That was

: 1536

01:09:34,015 --> 01:09:40,135

our first child when he was young He just

started pouring through books Voracious

: 1537

01:09:40,135 --> 01:09:42,915

reader but numbers and math come on.

: 1538

01:09:43,225 --> 01:09:48,654

Then you have people who are kind of the

opposite Um And don't worry about that.

: 1539

01:09:48,725 --> 01:09:54,125

Just stay patient, keep working at it,

and, uh, and they'll get it eventually.

: 1540

01:09:54,385 --> 01:09:57,545

We all, we all have our different

strengths and weaknesses, and so

: 1541

01:09:57,545 --> 01:10:00,495

just, you know, strengths, weaknesses,

and interests, I should say.

: 1542

01:10:00,625 --> 01:10:04,155

And so just keep working, uh, with

them along those, those, uh, interests,

: 1543

01:10:04,625 --> 01:10:05,945

and, uh, and they'll get there.

: 1544

01:10:07,375 --> 01:10:11,245

And as you, as you listen to their

questions and answer their questions, and

: 1545

01:10:11,295 --> 01:10:16,715

you really pay attention to the things

that they're interested in, and then you

: 1546

01:10:16,715 --> 01:10:21,525

will see These things that, that come up,

it's like, Oh, they're interested in this.

: 1547

01:10:21,525 --> 01:10:22,665

Now they're ready for this.

: 1548

01:10:23,095 --> 01:10:27,915

And so you can start filling in, uh,

those spaces as they show you, as, as

: 1549

01:10:27,915 --> 01:10:31,745

they come up, you'll, you'll see the

kind of things that they're ready for.

: 1550

01:10:31,985 --> 01:10:37,815

And then you can fill those things in and,

you know, uh, change, uh, change gears

: 1551

01:10:38,184 --> 01:10:41,955

to, uh, to help them in the ways that

they need it and that they're ready for.

: 1552

01:10:42,165 --> 01:10:43,275

Scott: yeah, fun to watch.

: 1553

01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:45,530

Yeah,

: 1554

01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:50,150

Tali: of the things that we talked

about last night, Leanne, was that when

: 1555

01:10:50,150 --> 01:10:56,140

we gauge where our kids should be, a

lot of times it's because we're, we're

: 1556

01:10:56,150 --> 01:11:01,010

hearing other people's voices and their

potential judgment of where our kids

: 1557

01:11:01,010 --> 01:11:02,900

are, how our kids are progressing.

: 1558

01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:04,570

So if you recognize that.

: 1559

01:11:05,055 --> 01:11:10,765

And then you just say that's, that's,

that's their thinking and my job is

: 1560

01:11:10,835 --> 01:11:16,045

only to help my child thrive in the

way he or she needs to thrive at

: 1561

01:11:16,075 --> 01:11:16,375

Scott: the,

: 1562

01:11:17,165 --> 01:11:19,955

Tali: at the pace that

works well for them.

: 1563

01:11:20,495 --> 01:11:24,595

Then eventually, as you said,

everything is going to even out, but

: 1564

01:11:24,595 --> 01:11:28,255

just recognize that when you start to

feel anxious, like my child is eight

: 1565

01:11:28,265 --> 01:11:30,025

and she's not, you know, reading yet.

: 1566

01:11:30,025 --> 01:11:33,385

And of course you have to eliminate

possibilities like maybe there's

: 1567

01:11:33,385 --> 01:11:35,934

a learning disability or something

where she needs extra help.

: 1568

01:11:35,945 --> 01:11:40,955

But if she's just not there yet,

just be aware that the voices you're

: 1569

01:11:40,955 --> 01:11:43,434

hearing, they're other people's voices.

: 1570

01:11:43,645 --> 01:11:44,055

So.

: 1571

01:11:45,345 --> 01:11:46,065

Leigh Ann - Jason: right.

: 1572

01:11:46,184 --> 01:11:46,225

Tali: Very

: 1573

01:11:46,405 --> 01:11:46,845

Scott: cool.

: 1574

01:11:46,895 --> 01:11:48,035

Leigh Ann - Jason: that

doesn't make them right.

: 1575

01:11:48,365 --> 01:11:48,715

Scott: Exactly.

: 1576

01:11:49,085 --> 01:11:52,105

Tali: Yeah.

: 1577

01:11:52,309 --> 01:11:55,640

Leigh Ann - Jason: one of the things

that gives people that idea is that

: 1578

01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:00,559

there's, you know, the, the schools

in, uh, instituted the common core,

: 1579

01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:06,680

uh, standard for schools and the No

Child Left Behind, so that all children

: 1580

01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,010

are supposed to learn the same things

at the same time and by certain ages.

: 1581

01:12:10,010 --> 01:12:12,740

So there are, there's,

there's this standard that.

: 1582

01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:19,250

The institution has set up, which is

not taking into account the needs of

: 1583

01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:25,500

the individual, but as homeschooling

parents, we can have the intuition and,

: 1584

01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:31,400

uh, the, the guidance ourselves to,

to see what they need individually.

: 1585

01:12:31,820 --> 01:12:32,350

And then.

: 1586

01:12:32,815 --> 01:12:37,745

From what I've seen, there is a higher

retention rate of the information when

: 1587

01:12:37,745 --> 01:12:41,065

you do it that way because they're

learning it when they're ready and

: 1588

01:12:41,065 --> 01:12:43,055

when they're interested in learning it.

: 1589

01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:44,305

Scott: Yeah.

: 1590

01:12:44,355 --> 01:12:46,755

Leigh Ann - Jason: To all Bitcoiners

out there, I'll say no child left

: 1591

01:12:46,755 --> 01:12:48,645

behind is socialism for education,

: 1592

01:12:49,465 --> 01:12:49,845

Tali: It

: 1593

01:12:49,845 --> 01:12:50,165

Scott: is

: 1594

01:12:50,235 --> 01:12:52,525

Leigh Ann - Jason: homeschooling

is capitalism of education.

: 1595

01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,309

Scott: Yeah, I think that, yeah, I,

yeah, I, the centralized stuff comes

: 1596

01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,240

from the government, socialism, right?

: 1597

01:12:58,390 --> 01:13:01,160

Everybody will learn this and

that, and that's it, um, versus

: 1598

01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:05,200

you can't get more decentralized

than the parents figuring out

: 1599

01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,150

what's best for their kids.

: 1600

01:13:06,150 --> 01:13:06,745

Well,

: 1601

01:13:06,825 --> 01:13:09,355

Tali: Well, there's something, sorry,

something else we talked about last

: 1602

01:13:09,355 --> 01:13:15,970

night I want to bring up is if you, if

you see homeschooling as replicating

: 1603

01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:20,600

public school at the home, then that

that's not what we're trying to do here.

: 1604

01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,360

We're we're just doing it

completely differently.

: 1605

01:13:24,370 --> 01:13:25,700

We're doing it by intuition.

: 1606

01:13:25,700 --> 01:13:27,830

We're doing it by the child's readiness.

: 1607

01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:30,680

We're doing it by the

child's learning styles.

: 1608

01:13:30,860 --> 01:13:35,860

You know, we're not trying to recreate

public school system in the home because

: 1609

01:13:36,510 --> 01:13:37,860

number one, why would we do that?

: 1610

01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,470

And number two, it's inefficient.

: 1611

01:13:39,470 --> 01:13:43,535

And number three, We have one teacher

and multiple kids, and we don't

: 1612

01:13:43,535 --> 01:13:47,015

have any administrators, we don't

have secretaries, we have, we're it.

: 1613

01:13:47,315 --> 01:13:49,325

So we have to make everything happen.

: 1614

01:13:49,565 --> 01:13:55,165

So don't think you have to replicate the

system that we pulled our kids out of.

: 1615

01:13:55,845 --> 01:13:56,065

Right?

: 1616

01:13:56,065 --> 01:13:58,325

It's not, the difference

is not just the location.

: 1617

01:13:58,545 --> 01:13:59,525

So, yeah.

: 1618

01:13:59,525 --> 01:13:59,770

Well,

: 1619

01:13:59,985 --> 01:14:01,445

Scott: Well, thanks for sharing all that.

: 1620

01:14:01,505 --> 01:14:03,355

I know you get more, keep going.

: 1621

01:14:03,365 --> 01:14:05,318

If you want, I don't know if

you, you know, I don't want,

: 1622

01:14:05,318 --> 01:14:06,655

I don't want to cut you off.

: 1623

01:14:06,725 --> 01:14:07,115

So

: 1624

01:14:08,140 --> 01:14:08,360

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah.

: 1625

01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,840

I was going to say that if you try

to do it the public school way,

: 1626

01:14:13,020 --> 01:14:14,590

you are going to feel overwhelmed.

: 1627

01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:16,910

You're going to feel anxiety.

: 1628

01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,510

You're going to feel stressed out.

: 1629

01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:24,650

And when you are feeling that way, your

child is going to feel that way as well.

: 1630

01:14:25,309 --> 01:14:32,985

And that is an inhibitor to the

whole idea of what homeschooling is.

: 1631

01:14:33,345 --> 01:14:40,765

Can be for you and your family when you

allow You you allow the the goodness

: 1632

01:14:40,765 --> 01:14:43,875

and truth and light and principles

to just kind of flow through your

: 1633

01:14:43,875 --> 01:14:49,360

life and and uh, and Let you know

that this is what your children need.

: 1634

01:14:49,710 --> 01:14:54,460

And, and you're, you'll be out of

tune with all of that if you're

: 1635

01:14:54,460 --> 01:14:56,110

focused in the wrong place.

: 1636

01:14:56,260 --> 01:14:59,040

And so when we're focused on our

children and their individual

: 1637

01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:04,230

needs and their individual learning

styles, and we just find joy.

: 1638

01:15:04,665 --> 01:15:10,155

in getting to know them and how they

learn and then we can recognize,

: 1639

01:15:10,475 --> 01:15:14,934

uh, what they most need and we'll be

in tune with them and they will be

: 1640

01:15:14,934 --> 01:15:18,615

happier and they will want to learn.

: 1641

01:15:18,625 --> 01:15:22,805

They won't, they won't get all, you

know, I don't want to go to school today.

: 1642

01:15:22,805 --> 01:15:24,425

Why do I have to do more work?

: 1643

01:15:24,655 --> 01:15:28,305

You know, they'll just be like, uh,

like they'll, they'll come up to us

: 1644

01:15:28,305 --> 01:15:29,965

all the time asking us questions.

: 1645

01:15:29,965 --> 01:15:31,055

They want to learn.

: 1646

01:15:31,095 --> 01:15:32,315

They, they want to know.

: 1647

01:15:32,315 --> 01:15:38,684

And I think that's such a natural

thing for children that is stamped

: 1648

01:15:38,735 --> 01:15:42,635

out of them when people are like, Oh,

you're asking me another question.

: 1649

01:15:42,725 --> 01:15:43,155

Go away.

: 1650

01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:43,809

Scott: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1651

01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:44,150

No, I

: 1652

01:15:44,225 --> 01:15:45,218

Leigh Ann - Jason: that's

not what we're looking for

: 1653

01:15:45,225 --> 01:15:45,545

Tali: the

: 1654

01:15:46,010 --> 01:15:46,240

Scott: kids

: 1655

01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:46,450

love

: 1656

01:15:46,450 --> 01:15:46,540

to

: 1657

01:15:46,555 --> 01:15:46,915

Tali: learn.

: 1658

01:15:47,045 --> 01:15:50,684

There's actually, there's a, I have a

book behind us called Laziness is a Myth.

: 1659

01:15:52,165 --> 01:15:57,675

And I, I picked up the book because

of the title because I heard it

: 1660

01:15:57,675 --> 01:15:58,915

so much when I was growing up.

: 1661

01:15:59,540 --> 01:16:03,590

Um, in, even in my family, there

is such an assumption that if a

: 1662

01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:07,030

child doesn't want to do homework,

it is because he or she is lazy.

: 1663

01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,950

And that's just such a myth.

: 1664

01:16:10,130 --> 01:16:11,400

It's just not true.

: 1665

01:16:11,660 --> 01:16:14,340

Human beings naturally, you're

never going to have a baby who's

: 1666

01:16:14,380 --> 01:16:15,960

too lazy to learn how to walk.

: 1667

01:16:16,020 --> 01:16:16,770

They love to learn.

: 1668

01:16:16,990 --> 01:16:17,500

Right?

: 1669

01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:21,180

Like, have you ever seen a baby

who's too lazy to learn how to walk?

: 1670

01:16:21,470 --> 01:16:26,210

Human beings want to advance themselves,

that is a natural progression.

: 1671

01:16:26,220 --> 01:16:28,300

It's a natural expression of being human.

: 1672

01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,690

And so if you, if you perceive them as

being lazy, number one, you're really

: 1673

01:16:32,690 --> 01:16:34,290

already hurting that relationship.

: 1674

01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:37,700

Number two, your assumption is

going to cause you to make decisions

: 1675

01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:40,210

that's not going to be productive.

: 1676

01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:42,440

And number three, it's just not true.

: 1677

01:16:42,490 --> 01:16:46,700

Something doesn't fit, and then you

call it, you give it a label, and

: 1678

01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,400

your responsibility is Handed away.

: 1679

01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:49,730

Right.

: 1680

01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:53,270

If you, if you say it, the child's

lazy, then it's not my fault.

: 1681

01:16:53,375 --> 01:16:56,455

Scott: feel like it's also, you can make

an analogy with the fiat system, where

: 1682

01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:57,260

Tali: they

: 1683

01:16:57,265 --> 01:16:58,065

Scott: break something.

: 1684

01:16:58,745 --> 01:16:59,615

And then somehow it's your

: 1685

01:16:59,630 --> 01:17:00,470

Tali: fault, right?

: 1686

01:17:00,470 --> 01:17:00,680

You know,

: 1687

01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:00,890

it's

: 1688

01:17:01,065 --> 01:17:02,105

Scott: greedy capitalist

: 1689

01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:02,870

Tali: or whatever.

: 1690

01:17:02,955 --> 01:17:04,215

Scott: you're like, wait a

minute, we're, we're not in

: 1691

01:17:04,250 --> 01:17:04,790

Tali: our free market.

: 1692

01:17:04,805 --> 01:17:05,465

Scott: And if you,

: 1693

01:17:06,170 --> 01:17:07,309

Tali: um, if you

: 1694

01:17:07,335 --> 01:17:09,625

Scott: look at it, the schools,

someone trying to say this

: 1695

01:17:09,645 --> 01:17:11,305

kid doesn't like to learn,

: 1696

01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:12,380

Tali: No,

: 1697

01:17:12,545 --> 01:17:13,635

Scott: kids love

: 1698

01:17:13,715 --> 01:17:13,875

to

: 1699

01:17:13,875 --> 01:17:14,315

learn.

: 1700

01:17:15,065 --> 01:17:16,035

problem is

: 1701

01:17:16,580 --> 01:17:16,730

Tali: the

: 1702

01:17:16,730 --> 01:17:17,270

system.

: 1703

01:17:17,315 --> 01:17:18,225

Scott: They don't like.

: 1704

01:17:19,125 --> 01:17:22,365

And all those other things we were just

listing out, the artificial timing, the

: 1705

01:17:22,365 --> 01:17:26,415

subjects, the being confined in your

seat and not being able to run around and

: 1706

01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:26,950

Tali: being

: 1707

01:17:27,155 --> 01:17:28,605

Scott: segregated by

age and everything else.

: 1708

01:17:29,445 --> 01:17:30,625

They don't like all that.

: 1709

01:17:30,945 --> 01:17:33,465

That's not, and then here's how

you, all the things you're forced to

: 1710

01:17:33,465 --> 01:17:36,405

memorize and things that you don't

think you're ever going to use again.

: 1711

01:17:37,434 --> 01:17:38,135

That's what they don't

: 1712

01:17:38,135 --> 01:17:38,535

like.

: 1713

01:17:38,684 --> 01:17:38,815

The

: 1714

01:17:38,815 --> 01:17:42,925

truth is it's, it's the, the type

of system being forced on them

: 1715

01:17:42,925 --> 01:17:44,425

that they're rebelling against.

: 1716

01:17:44,425 --> 01:17:45,365

It's not, they don't like learning.

: 1717

01:17:45,535 --> 01:17:47,895

Kids fundamentally love learning.

: 1718

01:17:48,260 --> 01:17:48,680

To learn

: 1719

01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:49,860

and

: 1720

01:17:49,860 --> 01:17:50,140

then you

: 1721

01:17:50,290 --> 01:17:52,420

beat it out of them with

the with the other system,

: 1722

01:17:53,130 --> 01:17:53,330

Right,

: 1723

01:17:53,500 --> 01:17:53,710

so.

: 1724

01:17:53,710 --> 01:17:54,915

oh

: 1725

01:17:55,660 --> 01:17:58,030

Leigh Ann - Jason: I think

human beings in general, we, we

: 1726

01:17:58,030 --> 01:17:59,380

innately want to learn, but yeah.

: 1727

01:17:59,380 --> 01:18:01,059

Like you just said, it

gets beaten out of so

: 1728

01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:01,850

Scott: beaten out of you.

: 1729

01:18:02,445 --> 01:18:02,515

Tali: I

: 1730

01:18:02,530 --> 01:18:03,450

Scott: think we're gonna

talk to you guys, right?

: 1731

01:18:03,470 --> 01:18:06,400

We need to get together sometime and

play like some board games together.

: 1732

01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,460

I don't know if you guys do family board

games I'm very but I'm very biased with

: 1733

01:18:09,470 --> 01:18:10,160

Leigh Ann - Jason: Oh, yes.

: 1734

01:18:10,290 --> 01:18:12,730

Scott: because the fellowship and Leanne.

: 1735

01:18:12,750 --> 01:18:15,360

I don't know how much Jason told

you That's kind of my thing.

: 1736

01:18:15,390 --> 01:18:15,990

I like to

: 1737

01:18:16,015 --> 01:18:16,030

Tali: you know,

: 1738

01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,230

Scott: Make games to help teach.

: 1739

01:18:18,270 --> 01:18:19,910

So it's, that's the dual thing.

: 1740

01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:20,980

You get to have fun,

: 1741

01:18:21,660 --> 01:18:21,840

Tali: you get

: 1742

01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:22,440

Scott: fellowship,

: 1743

01:18:22,450 --> 01:18:25,030

but as you know, the educator

in me wants to have something

: 1744

01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:26,940

in there that's a little juicier

: 1745

01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:27,190

if you

: 1746

01:18:27,190 --> 01:18:27,430

want

: 1747

01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:27,550

it.

: 1748

01:18:27,559 --> 01:18:27,800

So

: 1749

01:18:28,370 --> 01:18:28,620

Tali: we need

: 1750

01:18:28,620 --> 01:18:29,840

Scott: to get together

sometime to do that.

: 1751

01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:29,990

I don't know.

: 1752

01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:33,190

Next time we're going to be in your

area or conference or whatever, but, uh,

: 1753

01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:34,120

Jason, I

: 1754

01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:34,360

got it.

: 1755

01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:35,150

Like, can you just give

: 1756

01:18:35,150 --> 01:18:35,320

two,

: 1757

01:18:35,530 --> 01:18:36,620

two, like, let's,

: 1758

01:18:37,170 --> 01:18:37,340

Tali: I

: 1759

01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:38,730

Scott: don't know if

everybody knows, like,

: 1760

01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:39,500

Tali: like

: 1761

01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:39,680

Scott: all

: 1762

01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:41,340

the stuff that you're

really into, and I think

: 1763

01:18:41,530 --> 01:18:42,290

Tali: it's, it's

: 1764

01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:43,100

Scott: worthwhile.

: 1765

01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:45,370

They know you're a little

bit about your background.

: 1766

01:18:47,005 --> 01:18:47,355

Leigh Ann - Jason: Okay.

: 1767

01:18:47,355 --> 01:18:47,605

Yeah.

: 1768

01:18:47,605 --> 01:18:51,285

And I told a little bit about my

Bitcoin story, but, uh, so I guess

: 1769

01:18:51,335 --> 01:18:55,425

the other kind of stuff I do, um, all

in the Bitcoin space, um, I am the

: 1770

01:18:55,425 --> 01:18:57,275

ambassador concierge at Sattlantis.

: 1771

01:18:58,105 --> 01:19:04,200

Um, so Sattlantis, uh, for all listeners

who don't know is, um, A Noster client.

: 1772

01:19:04,260 --> 01:19:06,450

Now, Noster, that's a

whole other rabbit hole.

: 1773

01:19:06,690 --> 01:19:10,290

Uh, uh, uh, the purple pill rabbit

hole, not the, not the orange pill one.

: 1774

01:19:10,620 --> 01:19:15,210

But, uh, Noster basically is, uh,

uh, a protocol, not a platform like

: 1775

01:19:15,210 --> 01:19:20,130

Twitter and Facebook and stuff is a

protocol like Bitcoin, uh, for, um,

: 1776

01:19:20,430 --> 01:19:24,400

uh, uh, your, um, oh, I identity, um.

: 1777

01:19:24,860 --> 01:19:27,610

Yeah, I guess yeah your identity

on the the internet for like your

: 1778

01:19:27,610 --> 01:19:31,110

reputation study that so you have one

sign in for a Lot of different places.

: 1779

01:19:31,450 --> 01:19:35,580

It's uh, you're basically the identity

layer of the internet Anyway, uh, so

: 1780

01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:36,760

setlantis is built on top of that.

: 1781

01:19:36,820 --> 01:19:45,809

So that's itself is a It's an app and and

website for um Uh, travelers like nomads

: 1782

01:19:45,850 --> 01:19:47,890

and communities like local communities.

: 1783

01:19:48,210 --> 01:19:51,690

Um, so like a community and

travelers social app or and super

: 1784

01:19:51,690 --> 01:19:55,930

app is always everything in there

that, uh, it's like TripAdvisor

: 1785

01:19:55,930 --> 01:19:57,480

and Facebook groups and meetup.

: 1786

01:19:57,490 --> 01:19:59,670

com and a bunch of other

things all wrapped up into one.

: 1787

01:19:59,990 --> 01:20:03,460

Uh, it's all this, uh, like if

TripAdvisor had more of a social

: 1788

01:20:03,460 --> 01:20:05,730

function built into it, a bit like that.

: 1789

01:20:06,270 --> 01:20:10,385

Um, And all built on top of Nostr, so

it comes with the added benefit of, um,

: 1790

01:20:10,815 --> 01:20:15,434

uh, censorship resistance, and if you

go from one Nostr app, like Sattlantis,

: 1791

01:20:15,455 --> 01:20:20,555

to, um, another one, like Primal,

or Domus, or Amethyst, then, uh, all

: 1792

01:20:20,555 --> 01:20:24,895

your followers, and all your, uh, your

posts, all the people you're following,

: 1793

01:20:25,035 --> 01:20:27,875

uh, your, your profile, everything

is already there waiting for you,

: 1794

01:20:27,925 --> 01:20:29,475

for you, at all these different apps.

: 1795

01:20:29,475 --> 01:20:30,665

It's the same identity.

: 1796

01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:34,970

So anyway, um, so yeah, I

work there at, uh, Soutlantis

: 1797

01:20:34,970 --> 01:20:36,100

as the ambassador concierge.

: 1798

01:20:36,580 --> 01:20:39,820

I basically help the leaders of each

of the cities that are listed on

: 1799

01:20:39,820 --> 01:20:41,960

Soutlantis, help them get up and going.

: 1800

01:20:41,970 --> 01:20:45,250

And I'm kind of the ambassador for

all the ambassadors, you could say.

: 1801

01:20:45,710 --> 01:20:48,910

Uh, and I also help with a lot of the,

uh, the marketing and like the social

: 1802

01:20:48,910 --> 01:20:53,220

aspect, like the Soutlantis posts

on like Twitter and, uh, and Nostr.

: 1803

01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:59,735

Um, but also on the side, I am also

the, um, um, Meetup organizer for our

: 1804

01:20:59,735 --> 01:21:04,225

local Bitcoin meetup here, um, uh,

near us, uh, Chattanooga, Tennessee.

: 1805

01:21:04,665 --> 01:21:06,975

Uh, if anyone listening to this

is ever in the, uh, Chattanooga,

: 1806

01:21:06,975 --> 01:21:10,995

Tennessee area on a third Saturday of

the month, um, come, come visit us.

: 1807

01:21:10,995 --> 01:21:15,275

You can also pop on to Satlantis, look up

Chattanooga, and you can see our upcoming

: 1808

01:21:15,415 --> 01:21:19,385

meetups, uh, all, all the upcoming

events, um, that are listed there.

: 1809

01:21:20,305 --> 01:21:20,945

Uh, let's see.

: 1810

01:21:20,985 --> 01:21:24,745

And then I think lastly, I'll say

I, uh, put together, oh, sorry.

: 1811

01:21:25,955 --> 01:21:29,335

One year old in the background here,

but, um, I put together a book, uh,

: 1812

01:21:29,385 --> 01:21:33,365

called 21 questions, which is the

top 21 questions all about Bitcoin.

: 1813

01:21:33,925 --> 01:21:38,395

Um, this book, I, uh, so I

used to work, uh, on the, well,

: 1814

01:21:38,395 --> 01:21:39,555

the same team as Atlantis.

: 1815

01:21:39,555 --> 01:21:42,115

We were working on something

called the spirit of Satoshi.

: 1816

01:21:44,045 --> 01:21:44,545

Excuse us.

: 1817

01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:45,390

Scott: No, you're fine.

: 1818

01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:46,280

Authentic.

: 1819

01:21:46,425 --> 01:21:46,795

Leigh Ann - Jason: Okay.

: 1820

01:21:46,955 --> 01:21:47,155

Okay.

: 1821

01:21:49,805 --> 01:21:50,355

Big brother.

: 1822

01:21:50,365 --> 01:21:50,735

You got him.

: 1823

01:21:50,785 --> 01:21:51,255

So, all right.

: 1824

01:21:51,595 --> 01:21:57,550

Um, But uh, oh yeah, where I took the

21, not just most asked questions,

: 1825

01:21:57,550 --> 01:22:01,590

not just like the, like, the FAQs

of Bitcoin, um, but like the most

: 1826

01:22:01,590 --> 01:22:05,820

important ones that knew, that anyone

new to Bitcoin, uh, would need to know.

: 1827

01:22:06,210 --> 01:22:08,850

I gathered those, and then I reached

out to a bunch of different Bitcoiners,

: 1828

01:22:09,460 --> 01:22:13,330

uh, really well known Bitcoiners, uh,

Saifuddin Ahmed, I did reach out to him,

: 1829

01:22:13,340 --> 01:22:16,110

didn't get any, uh, response back, in

the back room, but people like that,

: 1830

01:22:16,140 --> 01:22:20,220

uh, so Guy Swan, Jacques Mazzucco,

Alexander Svetsky, who I work for at

: 1831

01:22:20,220 --> 01:22:25,025

Satlantis, um, Natalie Brunel and a bunch

of other like big names in the Bitcoin

: 1832

01:22:25,025 --> 01:22:28,225

space and I asked them these questions

Uh, they didn't answer all of them,

: 1833

01:22:28,495 --> 01:22:32,665

but they each picked a few uh, like at

least like three to five or something

: 1834

01:22:32,665 --> 01:22:35,565

then guy swan picked like 18 to answer

: 1835

01:22:36,475 --> 01:22:37,425

Tali: That sounds like Guy.

: 1836

01:22:38,710 --> 01:22:43,895

Leigh Ann - Jason: Yeah Um, and

uh, so they all gave their answers,

: 1837

01:22:43,915 --> 01:22:47,105

uh, to, uh, to each of these

questions, the ones that they chose.

: 1838

01:22:47,105 --> 01:22:48,695

And they put it all together into a book.

: 1839

01:22:49,105 --> 01:22:51,695

And then all 21 questions are

answered by the spirit of Satoshi.

: 1840

01:22:51,735 --> 01:22:56,545

Now the spirit of Satoshi is a, uh, an

AI, kind of like ChatGPT, that is built

: 1841

01:22:56,585 --> 01:23:01,275

and trained on everything ever taught,

ever said, ever written about Bitcoin.

: 1842

01:23:01,735 --> 01:23:03,895

Uh, so like the ultimate

Bitcoin, uh, expert.

: 1843

01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:10,470

And, uh, so it gives its answer, kind of

culminating that, um, uh, in the book.

: 1844

01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:14,910

And the book kind of had, um, was made

with one purpose, but then I discovered

: 1845

01:23:14,910 --> 01:23:16,740

kind of a, a, a second purpose.

: 1846

01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:19,450

Uh, I like to think of it as like the,

there's the tip of the iceberg, and then

: 1847

01:23:19,450 --> 01:23:20,940

the, the rest of the iceberg underneath.

: 1848

01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:24,040

The tip of the iceberg reason for

the book, the purpose for it is

: 1849

01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:25,620

to, uh, teach people about Bitcoin.

: 1850

01:23:25,710 --> 01:23:29,120

If you, if there's a family

member or friend who starts asking

: 1851

01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:30,940

questions, just hand them this book.

: 1852

01:23:31,070 --> 01:23:32,530

They don't have to read

from beginning to end.

: 1853

01:23:32,540 --> 01:23:35,790

They can just flip to question

four or question 19 or whatever.

: 1854

01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,920

Um, and find the question

that, that they have.

: 1855

01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,450

A lot of times we have

questions in our mind.

: 1856

01:23:42,450 --> 01:23:43,680

We haven't really formulated.

: 1857

01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,590

We haven't really articulated,

but then we see it.

: 1858

01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:46,990

There's question number

eight or something.

: 1859

01:23:46,990 --> 01:23:49,200

I'm like, Oh, Oh, that I've

had a question about that.

: 1860

01:23:49,450 --> 01:23:53,500

Like I've been wondering that myself,

but it doesn't just give an answer.

: 1861

01:23:54,075 --> 01:23:56,795

It gives an answer from Giacomo

Zucco, it gives an answer from Samson

: 1862

01:23:56,795 --> 01:23:59,725

Mao, it gives an answer from Guy

Swann, and the Spirit of Satoshi.

: 1863

01:24:00,055 --> 01:24:03,485

All these different angles,

uh, so then you, you, you get a

: 1864

01:24:03,485 --> 01:24:05,085

different angle on the answer.

: 1865

01:24:05,695 --> 01:24:08,885

But then that gets into the

deeper purpose of the book.

: 1866

01:24:09,425 --> 01:24:14,065

What happens when you understand Bitcoin,

now you've started to, um, get involved

: 1867

01:24:14,065 --> 01:24:17,045

in the Bitcoin space, you've bought

some Bitcoin, and you have another

: 1868

01:24:17,045 --> 01:24:23,115

question that isn't talked about in

the book, um, who do you turn to?

: 1869

01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,210

There's a lot of other voices out there.

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There's a lot of noise a lot of people

in general cryptocurrency who aren't

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bitcoin maximalists, uh, but who are

Into light some of the other coins.

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I was going to save them by name,

but now I won't um That uh, I don't

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want to give them any more spotlight

than they already have And So who

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are you going to turn to for answers?

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Well, those people will be eager to give

you answers that are going to lead you

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very much astray But I, I very carefully

reached out to all these different

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Bitcoiners, like 16 or 17 different

Bitcoiners who helped me write the book

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and gave me all those different answers.

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Um, that these are, these people

are well known in the space.

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They have a lot of proof of work.

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Um, uh, where they're very reliable.

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You, you can, I want to use this

word carefully, you can trust them.

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I'm not saying trust blindly.

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No, still go and verify.

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But when you're brand new, these are

the kinds of people to listen to.

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These are the kinds of people you

should follow on social media.

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And so when something brand new comes

up that wasn't even an issue earlier,

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some new development in Bitcoin or

something, these are the people who

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have some of the best perspectives.

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Scott: hmm.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: And, uh, Yeah, and

so it's kind of the deeper purpose

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of it then points you to who you

can listen to for the rest of it.

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So, I did that, I made, I

created that book last year,

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so it came out in April: 2024

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Um, then, um, I'm currently

working on the second book.

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Um, uh, of that.

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And I actually have a plan to do a

whole bunch of 21 questions books.

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Oh, and my wife was kind

enough to get a copy.

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Uh, I don't know, well,

listeners won't be able to see

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it,

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Tali: yeah, yeah,

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Scott: Well, we're going

to have a, we'll have a

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Leigh Ann - Jason: purple book here.

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Scott: yeah.

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Leigh Ann - Jason: Okay, great.

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Yeah, it's available on Amazon.

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Uh, 21 questions.

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Uh, but I'm working on

the Nostra edition of it.

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So the same plan, no Spirit of Satoshi

this time, but the same format.

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I'm reaching out to a bunch of

people who are well known in

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Nostra who know their Nostra stuff.

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These are like the developers

and programmers and famous people

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on it and things like that.

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You know, people like that,

who, um, and asking them the

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top 21 questions about Nostr.

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In the future, I plan to make

more of these 21 questions books.

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21 questions about

homeschooling, for example.

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Uh, 21 questions about, um, uh,

like, natural health, or, you

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know, and diet and eating right.

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Um, 21 questions about, um, self defense.

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Or about parenting or about just

whatever topic it is, especially

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if it's a topic that has to do with

sovereign individualism, a person

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really relying less on government

and on other outsourcing things.

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No, in source, bring it in.

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And, uh, um, if you're new to that,

that whole topic, well, here's a

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great book to help you get started.

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That, um, from all these

different experts in the space,

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all giving their own answers.

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Tali: Yeah,

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Scott: I love the theme.

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I love it.

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I love that I could see that

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Tali: playing out.

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Scott: Well,

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guys, you guys were wonderful.

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Don't hang up.

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We're gonna stop the recording, but

you guys stay right there Thank you

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so much for sharing with everybody