Episode 29

₿HS029: This Is Not a School

SHOW TOPICS:  

Dads and soon-to-be-Dads, are you trying to convince your wife to homeschool?   Our guest today, John, shares his story of how he and his wife worked this discussion.  Now, 19 years of homeschooling later, they share their lessons learned and suggestions for others in their book, “This Is Not A School.”  Take self-custody of your parenting.  In the long term, the low time preference view, it’s worth it.  The way we help other parents is by sharing.

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:

·      John’s book is “This Is Not A School: A nineteen year family education journal” 

·      Their reasons for homeschooling were not religious

·      He was inspired by his mother who emphasized how important it is to take full responsibility for the education of your children

·      Get the food right is one of the cornerstones of homeschooling

·      Limit the bad influences, e.g., what kids may be exposed to in public schools

·      John had to convince his wife to homeschool

·      You don’t need to have a lot of money to homeschool

·      They emphasized to their children that they were responsible for their own education

·      Teaching kids how to think for themselves is so important, e.g., critical thinking, mental frameworks

·      Self-custody parenting … Take control of what your kids are going to eat, going to experience, going to be exposed to

·      Parents are the ones who have the greatest incentive to take care of kids

·      When your kids fall down, don’t baby them.  Tell them to get up.

·      In many schools, administrators pummel kids with questions that really are suggestions, e.g., do you feel suicidal, do you feel like the opposite sex

·      They based their homeschooling on real world projects and situations, e.g., forming a PAC with their children called “Cannabis Consumers for Liberty”

·      Their family came under additional scrutiny and potential monitoring … John says that those who homeschool should be prepared for similar treatment

·      In the long term, the low time preference view, it’s worth it.  The way we help other parents is by sharing.

·      Talk to kids like adults about all subjects, especially money

·      They are working with Adam Curry to set up a Lightning node to process microtransactions for their audio book

·      The kids were with them when they set up their bitcoin wallet

·      Do what you need to do to be present with your family

·      If you’re feeling discouraged because it feels challenging to homeschool, don’t give up.  

·      John explains the history of National Computer Systems (NCS) and its influence over the US educational system and standards.  They were purchased by Pearson, a publishing company in London.

·      Go to the original, printed sources whenever possible … Build a book library of unabridged classics

 RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW:

•               John Dale’s book “This Is Not A School: A nineteen year family education journal” Amazon

•               John Dale’s book in audio on Podcast Index, https://podcastindex.org/podcast/6956884

•               Their own label, Plains Tribune Press, http://growingbusinesssolutions.com

•               Adam Curry, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curry

•               Podcast Index, https://podcastindex.org

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Transcript
Tali:

We're still new at this, but they were sitting with us

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as we set up our Electrum wallet

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Everyone is going to assume that you're

guilty of something, you're trying to

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hide something by bringing your children

into the fold of your own family.

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When in reality, that's

what made our country great,

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so you could literally go from scientific

STEM juggernaut to a woke, cutting

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body parts off kind of mentality.

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Because the schools were in charge

of delivering the education.

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In South Dakota, we're big on,

guns, rifles, and ammunition.

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We try to stock up on food.

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We know how to grow and

manage our own garden

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and that's covered in the book.

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Scott: Welcome.

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Welcome, John.

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We're, Talia and I are so excited to,

to, uh, talk about your book and your

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homeschooling adventure and definitely

get into some, Bitcoin for the audience.

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Today we, we have John Dale the

name of the book is this is not a

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school And it's a 19 year family

education journal and This is this is

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fantastic because people learn from

others and It takes a lot of effort

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Tali: to

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Scott: think through

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sharing

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things.

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It's, it's, it's one thing to be talking

over a cup of coffee with somebody.

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It's another thing to put together

a whole book and be structured

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with it and try to add value.

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So I'm excited to get

into, into a lot of this.

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Tali: I've been thinking about this

book now for almost two decades, and

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trying my best to plan and take notes,

and that helped me to take my role as

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a homeschool administrator and teacher

and father and husband more seriously,

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because I always knew that we would

get to this point, and we were going

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to this year's Congressional App

Challenge, and demo in Washington, D.

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C.

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This spring, it was, we won three

straight here in South Dakota, the

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congressional app challenge and was, you

know, told the team, okay, this is it.

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We're writing the book.

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So I hooked up a raspberry PI

and a little monitor and keyboard

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and mouse right in our Yukon.

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And so as we were driving, we're kind

of taking notes and documenting ideas,

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thinking through structure and flow

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Strategy

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for the book.

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And then when we got back home, We just

all dedicated ourselves for about a month

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to write down the experience that we had

been through for the last 19 years or

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Scott: Yeah, great.

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Um, we were, we were talking just before

we turned on the record and we were just

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about to hear kind of the Genesis story

for you on how you, you started down

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this, homeschooling path 19 years ago.

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So maybe, maybe for everybody,

let's, for, for Tali and I as well,

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let's, let's go back to, to there.

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If you can kind of give an introduction

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Tali: of how this

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Scott: whole thing started,

and then we can kind of explore

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some of these different areas.

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Tali: Sure thing.

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First and foremost, I

do have to apologize.

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We're located in Spearfish, South Dakota.

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We're on the west end of the state in

the Black Hills, about 17 miles from

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Sturgis, where they hold the nation's

largest Harley Davidson motorcycle rally.

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And so we have about 400, 000 of those

buzzing all throughout the Black Hills

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right now and you may actually hear

that sometimes they get really loud.

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Um, maybe we'll luck out though and, and

you won't be able to hear some or maybe

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you want to hear those, I don't know.

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Either way, we'll just

kind of roll with it here.

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So, in thinking back, um, my mom

was a 7th day Adventist and we

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lost her earlier this spring.

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And so, um, I'm remembering

her in memorial even right now.

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Scott: We're sorry.

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Tali: And she always used to say things,

you know, like, you've got to keep an

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eye on what the government is doing.

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You have to make sure that you have

a civic duty and a responsibility

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to hold them accountable.

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Someday, all of the Seventh day

Adventists may need to run to the hills

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because they're going to be persecuted.

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And this was her mindset, and she did

her best to raise me as a Seventh day

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Adventist despite the fact that I Peeled

away from the church after the sixth grade

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and really kind of found my own way, but

I always have that Fundamental foundation

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of, strict morality and adherence to diet

that comes from the Seventh day Adventist

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Church Although I'm not a Seventh day

Adventist I would like to make that very

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clear and our reasons for doing homeschool

were not religious reasons But she

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was really the one who kind of planted

that idea that, you know, how important

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it is to take full responsibility

for the education of your children.

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And that's, that's in every

aspect of life, including what's

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not taught in public schools.

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And so when our first daughter was born,

I was doing my master's degree in Tucson.

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And, um, we had, you know, five

years or so, four years, depending

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on whether you send the kids to

preschool, to really kick around the

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idea and mull it over and test it out.

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And Um, I have to say there was staunch

opposition from all quarters, working

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with the university down there as the

systems administrator senior, having

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family members who were firm believers

in institutional government type schools,

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who were telling us how, what a bad

decision it was going to be to homeschool

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our, oh there they go, I don't know

if you can hear that motorcycle in the

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background, what a bad decision it was

going to be to homeschool our children.

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You have to socialize them, you

have to socialize them, how are

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they going to get socialized?

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How are they going to learn all

the dirty tricks that their friends

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are going to pull on them was one

of the arguments that my dad made.

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And so, um, but nonetheless, I, I have

one of these brains that works in a way

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where I can think things through and I

have this really good memory and, uh,

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the ability to simulate and model things

in my mind and kind of play them out

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in my mind how the future might unfold.

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And I was convinced that after

all of my experience in school.

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I went to something like 9 different

elementary schools, I've been in a higher

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education setting, I have an advanced

degree, after all of that experience,

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a couple of axioms sort of surfaced as

the keystones to homeschool, and those

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were, get the food right, because I think

a lot of disease and cognitive problems

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were caused by the nutrition options

available to the majority of people who

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are young, and limit the bad influences.

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Okay.

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Because kids are, you know, we, the

way that our mind works, and I devote a

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lot of energy to this in the book, but,

and try to make it accessible because

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it's a very complex topic, you know,

how human neurology fits together,

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but the way the mind works is we're

products of our environment largely.

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In addition to having that genetic

predisposition, we're products

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of who and what is around us,

what information we're consuming.

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So to limit those influences of

information that could potentially

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poison them while they're so susceptible

and young and fragile and gentle

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and innocent was the big axiom.

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So those two, if I figured, and this

was the argument I must have made

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to my wife a hundred times, if we

get the food right and limit those

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bad influences, I think it will be

impossible to do worse than the bottom

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50 percent of an average public school

classroom, which I have seen many of.

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So that's how, that was what it

was like at the beginning, as a

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young man who was fairly stubborn,

raised by a fairly stubborn woman.

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I just kind of threw a line in the sand

and defended that line against in laws and

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my own parents and people I worked with

and teachers and people homeschooling.

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So that's kind of how it started.

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So you mentioned that you were sharing

these, uh, ideas with your wife.

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Was she not, sir, was she not,

the originator of this idea?

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It was, uh, you originated

this idea to homeschool?

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think, sorry, I think that's fair

to say that it was my baby, uh, the

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homeschool idea, and that I had to

stand up for it and really defend it.

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And she's very good at, you know,

taking a position and forcing me to

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evaluate the efficacy of my own ideas.

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And so that made the proposition stronger

because I was able to successfully

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defend it to her, my partner in

life, the person who is going to be

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seeing me gently and lovingly to my

grave and vice versa potentially.

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And so it was a big deal that I had

her support and I had about four

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years to really convince her and

myself, nobody else necessarily.

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My mother notwithstanding that this

was the right course of action.

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The reason I asked that is because I've

spoken to many Bitcoiners that who are

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fathers, and they are trying to get

their wives on board with homeschooling

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and Many of them are resistant

because it is such a daunting task.

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So can you go back to that, those early

days and share your emotions and how

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you were able to communicate with your

wife and the challenges that meet you

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may have felt and had to work through.

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My wife was raised in a very stable

household with lots of income and her

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parents are, are very intelligent people.

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Her dad, um, Is a retired captain, Air

Force, and her mom is, uh, one of, I

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think, four sisters raised in Ohio,

who is college educated and very savvy.

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And so, um, uh, she was, you

know, she has to listen to them.

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It is her obligation as their daughter

to listen to them and their arguments.

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And so we, we got into some very

heated and intense arguments.

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And trying to project out how the

money was going to work was the biggest

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source of, I think, our fighting.

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Because if her parents, who were fairly

affluent, were not willing to come

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in and help support us financially,

and my parents were not able to do

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that, and my dad was, my parents are

split up, and they have been for a

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very long time, after the death of my

brother when I think I was three or

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four years old, but He was against it,

and he's fairly affluent, and he was

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in a position to help him with this.

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But there was so much uncertainty about

how, certainty about how we're going to

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pay our bills, how we're going to buy

food, how we're going to, are we going

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to be homeless to be able to do this?

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And that created a lot of anxiety

for my wife, Jess, that I think was

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driving a lot of those really staunch

and heated, intense arguments that

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we somehow, somehow made it through.

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And, um You know, now we have hindsight,

and this is why the book is so valuable,

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because I know there are a lot of younger

homeschooling families who are going

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through that transition, and they're

finding that staunch opposition from all

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quarters, and they need to know that if

you really take this seriously, and you

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are present, not just financially, with

your family, the results are undeniable,

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even if you don't have a lot of money.

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And that's one of the

main focuses of the book.

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And one of my driving motivations was

to say, Hey, look at what we did here.

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Look at where we were successful

and how we were successful.

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It doesn't guarantee anything in the

future for my kids, but if they fail,

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I don't think they have any excuse.

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They're extremely well socialized.

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Yeah.

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We have, um, made incredible

connections with amazing people

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and they have achieved outcomes.

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themselves that I document and

articulate in detail in the book.

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Casey is um, a middle daughter

and she went through the

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Algebra 1 Saxon book by herself.

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She has the aptitude to do that.

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And a third axiom that was very

important is that I always hammered

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in to their minds that they are

responsible for their education.

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I can teach you how to read.

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I can teach you some of the rudimentary

stuff but if you take responsibility

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You For your own education, you're

going to learn way, way more

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than the vast majority of folks.

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And in my 20s, going to

college, that's what I found.

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Is I learned so much during those 10

years that I was going to college.

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And it was me that did it.

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I saw a lot of people going to class,

getting decent grades, but they would come

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out of it and they wouldn't really learn.

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Because they weren't taking it

seriously and they weren't engaged

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in the classroom, most importantly.

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So, I don't know.

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I feel like

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I'm

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Scott: no,

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I actually, I, I have a, uh, a thought

for you, or at least a question.

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So, so what I'm envisioning is as, as

the journey continued at some point.

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Tali: your

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Scott: wife said, wow, I see the results

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Tali: of this.

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Scott: And I'm convinced

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Tali: I could, you

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Scott: know, I could see

that because I know that

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Tali: I

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Scott: know what homeschooling

was when Tali first

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said she wanted to do it.

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Tali: But there's, there's something else.

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The

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Scott: things that you said

initially motivated you.

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One of the things that I found was

there were things I had no idea.

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I had not even thought about

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Tali: that

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Scott: later on in hindsight,

I'd look back and say, okay.

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Wow.

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Thank God we, thank God we did that.

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Tali: And

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Scott: of the things that's on my

mind, you have a, you have a chapter

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on calibrating your thinking.

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And I don't know if this is exactly

related to what you were just

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talking about in, in public schools.

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I don't, I don't know

what it's like today.

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It's been a long time since I've been

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Tali: in, school.

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The idea

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Scott: of taking responsibility,

you're not a victim.

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Someone else's not to blame.

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You need to take responsibility

for your own actions.

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Tali: I

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Scott: I don't think as a society

that is where everybody's at.

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And I certainly doubt that

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Tali: it's

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Scott: consistently taught.

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Maybe some teachers do, but I don't think

it's consistently taught through school.

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So maybe we can just take this

as a, let's go into, cause you,

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you have a lot of chapters.

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There's no way we can cover all of them.

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But to me, one of the big hindsights.

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Tali: One

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Scott: the big learnings for me

is teaching our kids how to think

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the frameworks that they use,

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Tali: the idea

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Scott: of critical thinking.

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Tali: And to

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Scott: that's, that's what I was

thinking of as you were talking

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about with teaching the kids to take

responsibility for their education.

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So can you comment on that?

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When you, when you say that your chapter

calibrate, you're thinking is that

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part of it or is that a different?

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Tali: A

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Scott: different area, but, but anyway,

critical thinking and frameworks.

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I'd like to get your

point of view on that.

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Tali: So, the first thing

is garbage in, garbage out.

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So, the seed of knowledge is the

human mind and the nervous system,

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at least that's what we think.

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That's what we as a people who are

curious about how humanity works.

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We think that if you have

better nutrition, you'll have

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a better seat for knowledge.

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So that's why we like to cut

out drugs, that's why we like to

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cut out alcohol at an early age.

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That's why we like to have organic

vegetables and that kind of

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formulaic, optimized human diet.

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We do that for our automobiles.

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We spend a lot of money to make

sure that our automobiles have

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just the right juice in there.

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And I think that the human body should,

deserves some of the same consideration.

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So that's the number one thing, is

getting the food and the water right, in

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order to provide a seat where knowledge

can, you know, can get in there.

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And then that, you made me think about,

um, you know, what a big motivation.

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And this, this is what grew within

my own consciousness over time

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with respect to my children.

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And that is, I, I've never

been an arrogant person.

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I'm very good at things and what

I'm good at, I sometimes will get,

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have bravado and I think that gets

mistaken for arrogance sometimes, but

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truly I try to be a humble person.

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And my mom is responsible for that when

I'm able to accomplish that mission.

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And so as I was, as there was one idea

that kept growing inside my consciousness

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as we were doing that, and that

is, you know, who I became in life.

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Would have been much different

if I was brought up in Germany,

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or if I hadn't gone to all these

schools, or if I hadn't have had that

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critical moral input at a young age.

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There's kind of this ghost

inside our bodies that represents

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us, our agency, our soul.

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There's this thing that some people

would claim happens all on its own,

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and other people claim well, okay,

there's some predisposition based

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on genetic factors and environmental

factors, but the information we get

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can largely shape who we are inside.

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I like who I am.

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I'm a very good person.

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I'm a fallible person.

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I make mistakes, but in

general, I like who I am.

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And so I wanted my children to

have the good that was in me.

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And so that's, that drove me

to be there and be present.

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And the more time I spent with my

family, the more time I wanted to

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spend with my family, because I

could project that out and envision

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myself on my deathbed and looking

back, what would I be most proud of?

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I guess.

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And what would I feel is

my most important work?

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And that was to make sure that the best

of myself was transferred to my children.

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And if I outsource the rearing of my

children to a big government institutional

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school with very little consciousness

that is constantly maneuvering to

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preserve its own revenue and income,

then I lose the ability to do what I

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think is going to be most important

to me when I'm facing my own moment

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of mortality at the end of my life.

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so much information that There's a

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focus on self custody of education.

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highlights and the, the good stuff.

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right now, I just want to be able to

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encourage them if they are in the middle

of fighting for their Children to be

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to keep out the bad influences and they're

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feeling discouraged Or they have a bad

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they're like, okay, that's it I shouldn't

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be homeschooling because I'm gonna ruin

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do you say to them the people who are

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I've rendered one spanking that

I really regret, but toughen up.

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quick and it's going to be merciless.

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feel and women have this predisposition

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your kid falls down, you don't run

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you say, get up, and when they do

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it's not easy, and it gets harder,

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the way that this world is structured.

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some of those burdens, and we have.

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to production automation, to, you

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who don't have a lot of money.

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that can be a source of stress,

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pummeled with administrators saying,

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flooding them with these,

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suggestions.

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whatever you did something wrong or

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something you brush it off But today

it'll be labeled possibly as child abuse

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at the situation a lot different Even

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if it's exactly the same circumstance

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the and the kids and I mean in some

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think was it um Is it Minnesota?

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I hope I didn't misspeak there,

but there are some places

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it's that

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there's this, that much of a wedge of

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that wedge versus

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you go through those hard times.

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you can actually become closer.

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know what you call them, coworkers or

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say that they talk to us all

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information.

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You mean you share that with your mom,

you talk to your dad about that and

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they're,

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have you found?

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gone through, the hardships you just

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described, those types of things.

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where are you

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as you, as you look back with your

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that there are some family situations

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where the child, uh, may need help, and

so, For schools to behave like they have,

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like as you described, has diluted the

value and opportunity to actually go and

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only focus on the truly bad situations.

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the, one of our, should I, I

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guess should I talk about this?

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Scott: So here's another thing too.

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Tali: just say this

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In our, in the book, it's in the book, so

I guess we may as well broach the topic.

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As an exercise, all of our homeschool

activities were based on real world

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projects, and so I wanted to give the

kids access to how the legal system

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works, and to understand the different

levels of government, and how laws get

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created, and who participates in that.

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And so, um, as a result of that, we, we

did the Cannabis Consumers for Liberty.

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with our children, in, in tow,

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watching how that process went.

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and got it approved through the

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Secretary of State's office and

the Legislative Research Council.

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The girls were on all of those calls

to understand, you know, what does

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the, what does this legal language do?

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What's the magic about it?

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people who saw what we were doing

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there and immediately assumed that

we were trying to indoctrinate our

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children into cannabis use, which

could not be farther from the truth.

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That was not it at all.

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was an opportunity that fell in our

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laps because it was the big issue

of the day here in South Dakota,

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and so we went through that process.

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I believe that put us under

additional scrutiny, and that

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some of our systems may have been

tapped into to monitor our family.

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I think the Teachers Union would have an

interest in doing that, I believe that

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Child Protective Services has an interest

in doing that, Behavioral Management,

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Psychology, Businesses, and LLCs, etc.

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want to have that clean, easy access to

go look at whoever they want, especially

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homeschool families, because they're

concerned that we're raising dissidents

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that won't be productive in our society.

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like the monster in the closet of the

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mind of the imagination of a child amongst

these people, and it gets inflated.

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In our case, I think it was a

big waste of effort and money

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to the extent it did happen.

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I don't have the resources

to go and prove it.

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All I know is that we got a lot of people

very interested in what we were doing.

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And we also saw some things behind

the scenes that I, I'm not going to

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talk about on this podcast, but I

hope to be able to write a book about.

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Because that's one of the, one of the

things you need to be prepared for as a

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homeschool family is additional scrutiny.

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Everyone is going to assume that you're

guilty of something, you're trying to

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hide something by bringing your children

into the fold of your own family.

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When in reality, that's what made our

country great, was the farm model.

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Families working together

to be productive, learning

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together, working together.

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is an unbreakable bond.

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And that reminds me that in the early

days, I thought, when my, I couldn't wait

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to have conversations with my children.

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You know, I just, they weren't

talking yet and I'm like,

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there's so much I need to share.

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What if I get hit with a bus by a

bus, you know, and I can't share

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these life experiences with you.

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There was just so much that I,

that I wanted to share with them.

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Um, at any rate, uh, did that, did

that kind of get out the question?

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you, it sounds like you guys have.

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Tali: You've, you've

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Scott: had the, the, what I

suspect is built very, very

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Tali: strong

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bonds because you've gone

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through those things together.

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Scott: And so just,

just a couple of things.

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Number one, thank you for sharing

because I, I, I think, so for

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example, the book you might write,

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Tali: this

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When,

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Tali: when,

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Scott: how I say this,

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Tali: people

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Scott: understand things better

when they hear it in stories.

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So if a, if a young couple right now

is thinking about homeschooling and

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they say, Oh, it's going to be tough

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and there's,

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they're going to have extra scrutiny on

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you.

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But in the, in the longterm, the low time

preference view on this, it's worth it

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Tali: to

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Scott: take, to give your kids And

the only way that they can understand

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that is if people who have gone

through it are willing to share.

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So it's, it's just, I'm just trying

to express my gratitude that you're.

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Tali: you're sharing.

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Number two, we,

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Scott: offer this to everybody.

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We don't do a live show.

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And if there is anything

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that

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we talk about, you don't want what we

can go back and, you know, take it out.

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So you're safe to just, uh,

to, to, to be yourself here.

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And I just want to say,

thanks for sharing.

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I think those are the kinds of things

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Tali: that actually

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Scott: help our, our audience

as they are trying to navigate,

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Tali: What should

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they do?

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And and

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Scott: sometimes you focus on the hard

things and you're going to have this,

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Tali: you're going to have that.

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You,

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you're doing

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Scott: for a reason.

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You love your kids.

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You want the best for their success

and who wouldn't want to have that

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kind of relationship with their kids

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Tali: when their

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kids are adults?

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Scott: I don't think any parent

looks forward and says, I can't

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wait to not talk to my kid.

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I just don't think that

it, that not the, not the

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people I talk to anyway.

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Tali: So, um, I

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Scott: would like to, we, I know there's,

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Tali: So many different subjects.

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There is one that it's not directly

related to what we talked about

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here that I wanted to ask about.

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Are you guys okay if

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Scott: we

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switch gears a little bit?

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Tali: Go ahead.

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So, so

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Scott: Bitcoiners, um,

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Tali: very

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Scott: concerned about money

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literacy.

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What is your point of view on that?

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then you

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Scott: have a whole, whole

chapter on teaching money to your,

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Tali: your

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Scott: kids.

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What has your experience been trying to

help pass on to your kids how money works

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and the things they need to be prepared

for it to be successful as adults?

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Tali: Yeah, what a great topic.

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And there's so much that can be said

about this, but I'll try to keep it.

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Right in, right in the

bullseye of, I think, what your

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audience would most appreciate.

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We talk to our kids like adults.

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We try to build their vocabulary

in different domains of knowledge.

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And money, and finance, and banking.

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That, we talk about that a lot.

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And in fact, all of our lessons, the

ones that I got most excited about,

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We're the real world application.

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So it's real projects.

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So we're actually doing our digital

currency homeschool lesson right now,

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and we're working with Adam Curry.

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I'm not sure if you

know who Adam Curry is.

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He's the pod father, the guy who

invented podcasting and did the deal

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with Apple originally, and he also

was a host of MTV's Headbangers Ball.

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He's a, he's definitely the

one who, he's at the center

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of what we're doing right now.

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And so we're working with him to

set up a lightning node to allow

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us to process microtransactions for

the audio version of our book and

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leveraging that value for value network.

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And one of the interesting aspects

behind this is you're trusting

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the moral objectivity of people.

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to donate when you do it on this model

because you quote unquote give the

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content away and then rely on people

to say well this content was worth this

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much value to me so i'm going to go

ahead and smash the button and give you

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this much value and it's measured in

satoshis in the lightning network and the

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lightning network is important because

it is fast so the transactions are fast

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it's extremely liquid and low cost so

you don't have a lot of transaction

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fees And once you reconcile and get,

let's say, the day's transactions and

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fill up a certain amount, you can do,

process one transaction to another

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Scott: to get to another Bitcoin

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Tali: Bitcoin wallet and then

out into dollars and into assets,

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if that's what you want to do.

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So we're right in the middle of doing

this project right now, and we're

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about to light it up on podcastindex.

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org.

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And I would, if you don't know that

already, that's the direction that I

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think everyone who is interested in

diversifying and, um, unconsolidating

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media so we can get more accurate

information to one another, podcastindex.

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org is right now the battlefront and where

everyone should go to try to support.

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And if you can, if you have the ability,

set up a wallet that does lightning

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transactions so that you can reward

people who are taking this initial

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risky step for so many reasons, right?

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Fiat currency has no bottom,

so Bitcoin has no top.

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And it's an incredible and possibly

temporary hedge against the abuse of

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our financial system by people who are

not contributing to the value chain.

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So to me, digital currency is,

there's a couple things, and I

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advise the governor's office here

in South Dakota in the same way.

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It's about liquidity.

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You need to be able to

produce something of value.

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In my opinion, it's the

book that we've written.

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And then once you produce that thing of

value, there needs to be a reward for

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that value that can come from Bitcoin,

which is growing against inflation.

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And then those need to be liquid into

dollars and into some asset very quickly.

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In our case, our preference is to put all

of our resources financially into cash

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flowing enterprise, because a cash flowing

business is the best possible hedge

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that I can think of against inflation

and abuses in the monetary system.

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Beyond that, uh, here in South

Dakota, we're big on, you know,

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guns, rifles, and ammunition.

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We, you know, we collect those

as a source of value and possible

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currency in the event of a

collapse of our financial system.

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We try to stock up on food.

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Uh, we're big on intellectual

property, so how to do things.

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We know how to grow and manage our

own garden, if and when that's needed.

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And that's covered in the book.

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Just our experience with it, it's not

the be all end all manual for how to grow

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your own food, but it demonstrates that

you, it's not that hard to get started.

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We have, we hunt, and we actually

cover that as a chapter in the

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book, one of my favorite chapters.

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And so we know how to harvest wild game.

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We're familiar with the species

of fish in our local streams and

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waterways, so that if we had to, we

could go and catch fish, and we know

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what birds there are, and so on.

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So, you know, for me,

Bitcoin isn't an asset.

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It's not even a currency.

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It just represents liquidity.

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And the liquidity is from people who

are forward thinking enough when it

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started, the cypherpunks and others,

to recognize that, hey, listen, there's

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a class of people in our society

who are cheating every single day.

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And they're not actually

producing something of value.

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So we're going to need a system,

That grows in value as the

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value of the dollar depreciates.

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Because whether it's our fault, or the

fault of BRICS, or whatever, a worthwhile

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opponent, this thing could crash, and

we need to have a hedge against that.

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And so that's what Bitcoin represents

to me, is the ability to tap into the

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folks who started it, who are, have an

enormous amount of wealth now, looking

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at the exchange rates, and to allow

them to compensate us, is used for

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producing something of actual value.

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In our case, we're a knowledge factory,

and we're in the business of education.

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And we want a way to get rewarded

for that, but we don't want

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to have to wait until the rest

of the world accepts Bitcoin.

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So I advise the governor's office

here in South Dakota to focus on that

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liquidity, to make sure that we have

good exchanges that have low viscosity

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and low overhead, so we can get in

and out of digital currencies quickly.

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As quickly as needed, and into

assets that persist, as I described.

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The biggest one is intellectual property.

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You've got to feed your mind,

in my opinion, as a family.

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That's the biggest hedge you can make

against any kind of strife that you'll

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run into, is simply knowing what

to do when the time comes to do it.

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Um, and then beyond that, you're going to

need good food, water filtration systems

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in your community, too, not just for

you, because if you're in a community

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of 10, 000 like me, And we're the only

ones that are forward thinking like this.

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That means I've got 9, 999 neighbors.

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We're going to come and try to

eat my butt if a thing goes south.

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So, um, so we actually focus

on disseminating that knowledge

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in our community as well.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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There's so much there to unpack.

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How,

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how

731

:

is the family,

732

:

Scott: both, both your wife

733

:

Tali: and your children,

734

:

where

735

:

are they on the Bitcoin journey?

736

:

Are they, would

737

:

Scott: they all consider

themselves Bitcoiners?

738

:

Tali: I don't know.

739

:

I think we're pretty pretty

much super newbs right now.

740

:

We're we're still new at this, but

they were sitting with us as we set

741

:

up our Electrum wallet We all were

pair programming around the computer

742

:

so they know what an Electrum wallet

is I've had them watch videos and do

743

:

independent research on understanding

what bitcoin is and what digital

744

:

currency is They understand inflation

You And they have a good understanding

745

:

for their age of finance and, you know,

the relative value of things and that

746

:

currency is supposed to represent value.

747

:

And when it's been perverted like

it has, it stops representing value.

748

:

So, I'm not sure if we're Bitcoiners

yet, but I mean, I'm fully on that

749

:

track right now and we're going

full steam ahead on this project.

750

:

And we're going to test the present

state of the system because I'm

751

:

bringing forward a product I'm

confident has tremendous value.

752

:

And when we enter that product for

sale in what I hope is a free market

753

:

of Bitcoin, we'll see if that product

is rewarded through that channel,

754

:

through the liquidity that was

described, so that we can actually

755

:

take some of that value we created

and go pay an electric bill with it.

756

:

So, and if we're able to do that

and complete that loop, I would

757

:

say, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm all in.

758

:

And that will be reported to our local

representatives, our county commission,

759

:

District 31 representatives and Senator

here in, uh, South Dakota, it'll be

760

:

reported to the Governor's office.

761

:

Um, you know, we're going to spread the

word around about it as a test case.

762

:

Because, again, it all hinges, of course,

on whether or not this book is valuable.

763

:

And I encourage everyone to

go and make that assessment.

764

:

And if you find it valuable, we'll

test your objective morality.

765

:

Scott: Okay.

766

:

All right.

767

:

I've hit some of my topics.

768

:

Tell me, did you have

769

:

Tali: other favorites that

you wanted to to touch on?

770

:

Well, I was just thinking this morning

that, there were many moments during

771

:

our 20 year journey in homeschooling

when I felt like giving up.

772

:

And I, I want to ask you to send

out some encouragements to people

773

:

who might be in that situation

now or perhaps in the future.

774

:

How do you encourage a

homeschooling family to keep going?

775

:

Everybody's situation is different,

but I've had those moments, and with

776

:

homeschooling and projects I've been

working on, and I've never regretted

777

:

just grinding it out and finding out.

778

:

Sometimes I'm successful and

sometimes I'm not, but I know

779

:

how it would have turned out.

780

:

And to not continue to grind it

out and proceed, I think That

781

:

has some consequences because

you have an investment in this

782

:

if you've already started.

783

:

There's opportunity cost for the

future if you don't continue.

784

:

You're gonna do things wrong.

785

:

Everybody does things wrong.

786

:

But what is your moral character?

787

:

Do you take those mistakes, internalize

them and accept them, and craft a

788

:

solution that will remedy those mistakes?

789

:

Or do you continue to make the

same mistakes over and over?

790

:

We had the luxury somehow, and it's

been a struggle, and I've had to do

791

:

some things that are legal that I'm

not proud of in order to keep our

792

:

homeschool going, and in order that we

could be together as an atomic family.

793

:

And that was so valuable to me that I

swallowed my pride and my ego, and I

794

:

did what was necessary to be present,

because I don't have a rich uncle.

795

:

But I needed to be present with my

family and that doesn't pay right now.

796

:

And I'll leave you to fill

in some of those blanks.

797

:

I'm a very conservative person

and, but it was most important

798

:

that I be with my family.

799

:

So, um, as far as mistakes go,

you're going to make mistakes.

800

:

I've hit that wall easily 10 times,

but if you'll look at the book, you'll

801

:

see that we've achieved some outcomes

that are fantastic and we're worth

802

:

every single doubt, every fight.

803

:

every wall I had to

run into along the way.

804

:

So don't give up, and please read

the book, and study the book.

805

:

It's not gonna be like, um, it's not an

adventure novel, it's not entertainment,

806

:

it's actually an academic manuscript.

807

:

So there will be some struggle.

808

:

We audiobook to try to help,

because I know that people like to

809

:

multitask, so you can listen and keep

your hands busy, and listen again,

810

:

it's about an eight hour listen.

811

:

And in there I think that you'll see that

we've achieved those results, I haven't

812

:

had extraordinary investment, and, but

I have, I guess in our circumstance I

813

:

should acknowledge that my own life's

journey and educational journey gave me

814

:

some perspective and knowledge that I

was able to add, and I really tried my

815

:

best to encapsulate that in the book,

because my advantage over other homeschool

816

:

administrators and teachers is, I have

to say it, is part of that education.

817

:

And I went up through the master's level.

818

:

I had jobs with companies like Pearson

Education Technology in:

819

:

is, Pearson is a London company,

who paid a huge amount of money to

820

:

buy the biggest educational software

services firm in the United States

821

:

so they could take over our schools.

822

:

The British, taking over our schools

through the technology implementation

823

:

of a project called NCS for School.

824

:

So I have that insight

and that perspective.

825

:

It gives me a little more resolve.

826

:

But the book really was meant to

short circuit the learning process

827

:

for families, especially new families

who are entering into this space.

828

:

And we went from something like a million

to five million homeschoolers now in

829

:

the United States from 2019 to present.

830

:

Scott: Yeah.

831

:

Tali: Okay, can I, can I ask

you to elaborate on the UK

832

:

invasion of our education

833

:

system?

834

:

It's not one that I'm familiar with.

835

:

That's not one that I've

836

:

heard.

837

:

So tell us more.

838

:

What is that?

839

:

Well, I was going to school and

it was right around:

840

:

working full time with benefits at a

firm called Madden Media in Tucson.

841

:

When an associate slash friend

of called me up and said,

842

:

Hey, I'll double your salary.

843

:

If you'll move up to Gilbert,

Arizona and start working for

844

:

a company called NCS Pearson.

845

:

NCS stands for National Computer

Systems and it was headquartered

846

:

in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.

847

:

They had over 30 percent market

share in the back offices of K 12

848

:

education in the United States.

849

:

They originally got cut their

teeth and made their money on the

850

:

Scantron Machines that automatically

look at the bubbles on a test.

851

:

I mean it's very similar technology

to our voting machines by the way,

852

:

and they have a lot of intellectual,

had a lot of intellectual property.

853

:

So Pearson came in, bought this company

for I think over two billion dollars and

854

:

then um, brought in their people and we're

looking at how they could convert this

855

:

into an educational standards delivery

program that could change the standard.

856

:

So they brought me in, I'm a software

engineer and database designer, and

857

:

we were going to take their small C

software and turn it into a big, huge

858

:

enterprise Java application that would

allow teachers and administrators and

859

:

students and parents to collaborate

in the system around state level

860

:

standards, around grading, around all

of that kind of school operations.

861

:

And.

862

:

Pearson is an 8 billion

publishing company out of London.

863

:

So Pearson purchased National Computer

Systems, who had an inroad into U.

864

:

S.

865

:

schools.

866

:

The way that the system was

being designed was polymorphic.

867

:

So you could change out the entire set

of standards that our children were

868

:

being taught by changing the contents

of a database, slowly or quickly.

869

:

And we had people with British accents

running around and then we had, you know,

870

:

there's a lot of military guys, a lot of

air force guys popping in and out of the

871

:

building and having higher level meetings.

872

:

And so clearly it was understood the

risk in doing something like this.

873

:

If Pearson and their adjuncts and

their activist investors decided to

874

:

change what educational standards were

put in that database, because what's

875

:

put in that database gets puts in the

mind, put in the mind of children.

876

:

As they're learning.

877

:

So you could literally go from scientific

STEM juggernaut to a woke, cutting

878

:

body parts off kind of mentality.

879

:

You could literally do that with the

system because the schools were in

880

:

charge of delivering the education.

881

:

And that, that was, to me, is just

a huge, open gap in our defenses

882

:

as a nation was, how are we going

to protect our children from.

883

:

You know, speaking British, if you will.

884

:

Ha ha, right?

885

:

Or speaking German.

886

:

We might all be speaking German right now

if World War II had ended differently.

887

:

Or Japanese.

888

:

I mean, that's, this was a, in my

mind, it was a slow moving projectile.

889

:

I kind of figured it out fairly

quickly because my mom had given

890

:

me some key phrases that shaped

my understanding and books for

891

:

knowledge that I was looking for.

892

:

And I'm like, ooh, this is kind of bad.

893

:

But I was making 64, 000 a year,

and I had just graduated college.

894

:

And I was sitting next to people from Sun

Microsystems, from IBM, from Microsoft,

895

:

150 to 300 an hour consultants, and I was

learning how these systems were working,

896

:

becoming a world class information

systems architect and engineer myself.

897

:

So what eventually happened was this

crew of about 240 people who were very

898

:

patriotic, and they chose that software.

899

:

Uh, company because they wanted to feel

good when they went home at night and they

900

:

wanted to be able to sleep well and know

that, that they were helping education

901

:

and it made their hearts feel good.

902

:

And when they saw that acquisition

come through and when they saw people

903

:

instantly being made millionaires coming

to work in Ferraris, certain key people

904

:

on the staff, you know, or just we had a

little bit more money than others, this

905

:

sort of entrenched group of patriots

congealed and hardened themselves.

906

:

And I can't prove it, but I'm

pretty sure they started trying

907

:

to throw monkey wrenches in the

spokes of Pearson's project because

908

:

they saw the dangers involved.

909

:

And so there was this cat and mouse

game back and forth for a couple of

910

:

years before finally Pearson executives

got fed up and laid off 240 people.

911

:

And I was one of those.

912

:

And then outsourced it to India.

913

:

They opened up 30 positions.

914

:

I applied for one of those positions,

got hired back, got a raise, And

915

:

worked in that project for about

another seven months as I was

916

:

putting in my, uh, applications to

go back to the University of Arizona.

917

:

Because I wanted to understand from a

business level, like from an IT level,

918

:

I was just soaking it up like a sponge.

919

:

I understand everything about those types

of systems and I cut my teeth there and it

920

:

gave me perspective and knowledge, but I

didn't understand why these dudes thought

921

:

it was okay to outsource their education

like that, quite literally, to India.

922

:

So, so I put in my, two weeks and

actually went to work for another firm

923

:

for a while to just try to cleanse my

soul, it was called VistaCare Hospice

924

:

in Scottsdale, and uh, I worked there

for about a year and then finally got

925

:

my applications all straightened out, I

was accepted, and went back to school to

926

:

try to learn in the, one of the nation's

best business programs, what was the

927

:

impetus behind these decisions to do this?

928

:

And ultimately the value proposal I,

I discovered, uh, and there's, I have

929

:

inductive support for this but I don't

have like damning evidence, was that

930

:

labor arbitrage to India was the primary

way that 401ks were being propped up

931

:

because it just creates instant profit.

932

:

But obviously it created also a beachhead

for India now to, who's at a critical mass

933

:

in our country, to understand everything

that's happening from an information

934

:

perspective so it's reconnaissance.

935

:

So these systems now are installed,

they were built by people who don't

936

:

have constitutional sensibilities.

937

:

Um, eventually, I think this system kind

of morphed, and I don't know if, like,

938

:

where D2L came from, but that's the

Desire2Learn is a big system installed

939

:

at the university level now, and there's

all these kind of systems coming out.

940

:

I don't know what happened, I don't know

what the end of that story is after I

941

:

got out, but that was my experience.

942

:

And I just, I had to get out of there

because I learned what I, what I'd learned

943

:

and they brought in well I won't say

his name, but they brought in this guy

944

:

and they started outsourcing and all of

a sudden I, like my hours changed because

945

:

I had to be trying to give business

requirements documentation to the people

946

:

in India and they were trying to turn me

into a manager and take me away from the

947

:

technology when I'm a technology guy,

I'm a geek, I, I want the code, I want

948

:

to know what the code is doing, I get

my hands really dirty on these systems.

949

:

And so that was really offensive,

too, is that they seem like

950

:

they're trying to dumb me down.

951

:

But at any rate, that's in a

nutshell my experience with Pearson

952

:

Education Technologies and National

Computer Systems and Pearson.

953

:

Scott: Uh,

954

:

Tali: NCS Pearson in Mesa, Arizona.

955

:

Scott: might have, we

956

:

Tali: I have a separate

book going on that one.

957

:

Yeah, I haven't heard of that.

958

:

But I so when we started homeschooling

our kids, it was early:

959

:

So I think the timeline kind

of lines up a little bit with

960

:

with what you just described.

961

:

But there was a real push in

the homeschooling community

962

:

to go to the original.

963

:

Printed source.

964

:

They were trying to get offline, even

though it would be much more convenient

965

:

to get your curriculum online.

966

:

There was a real push for the original

967

:

work.

968

:

I think, I mean, this has come, I, I'm not

969

:

Scott: first one

970

:

Tali: to say

971

:

this, but you should be building

972

:

Scott: a library of

973

:

Tali: classics.

974

:

Physical, physical books,

physical library of, of classics.

975

:

Check, check.

976

:

We're doing it.

977

:

We've got it.

978

:

We're, we're absolutely doing that.

979

:

I highly recommend it.

980

:

Even the audio book.

981

:

AI has the capability now to go in

and, uh, analyze my voice pattern

982

:

and literally replace things

that I'm saying in the audiobook.

983

:

Scott: Oh yeah, yeah, you

984

:

Tali: okay.

985

:

So printed, printed books right now,

I think, the really important ones,

986

:

I would definitely recommend getting

a copy and then getting together and

987

:

reading them with your friends to see

if things have changed between editions.

988

:

Yeah,

989

:

they definitely do

change between editions.

990

:

I have found that like

for the original yeah the

991

:

I've got i've gotten through library

sales like four or five different sets

992

:

of the the classics, you know, like um,

Like robbers and crusoe and those types

993

:

of things and I have definitely noticed

changing of words and sentences that

994

:

are kind of subtle But definitely there

995

:

Scott: in some places, I mean,

it's, I don't want to go, I mean,

996

:

people probably aware of this.

997

:

If in certain schools,

998

:

Tali: the teachers

999

:

Scott: are going to decide

:

00:51:15,031 --> 00:51:15,311

Tali: what

:

00:51:15,336 --> 00:51:19,026

Scott: books are available and they might

put things in there that intentionally

:

00:51:19,046 --> 00:51:21,416

are, I basically portographic.

:

00:51:21,426 --> 00:51:21,956

If you read some

:

00:51:21,956 --> 00:51:22,256

of these

:

00:51:22,291 --> 00:51:23,041

Tali: descriptions

:

00:51:23,901 --> 00:51:24,201

and then

:

00:51:24,206 --> 00:51:26,616

Scott: they're trying to remove

classics or even the ones

:

00:51:26,631 --> 00:51:26,751

Tali: are

:

00:51:26,928 --> 00:51:27,121

left,

:

00:51:27,131 --> 00:51:28,061

They altered the

:

00:51:28,061 --> 00:51:28,956

classic altered.

:

00:51:29,041 --> 00:51:29,391

So,

:

00:51:29,986 --> 00:51:31,896

Scott: um, I, I feel like

that could be another

:

00:51:32,611 --> 00:51:33,021

Tali: Really

:

00:51:33,021 --> 00:51:33,431

long

:

00:51:33,691 --> 00:51:34,431

discussion.

:

00:51:34,431 --> 00:51:34,831

Yeah,

:

00:51:34,891 --> 00:51:35,701

let's, so

:

00:51:35,706 --> 00:51:39,696

Scott: my recommendation is John, is

there anything else before we wrap up

:

00:51:40,321 --> 00:51:41,026

Tali: that we didn't cover

:

00:51:41,576 --> 00:51:41,916

ask

:

00:51:42,026 --> 00:51:44,036

Scott: about with the book that

you just wanted to highlight

:

00:51:44,036 --> 00:51:45,466

or other recommendations?

:

00:51:46,136 --> 00:51:47,286

Um, and then

:

00:51:47,856 --> 00:51:47,996

Tali: we

:

00:51:47,996 --> 00:51:52,026

Scott: can wrap up with a handoff

on where people can find you,

:

00:51:52,246 --> 00:51:55,076

whether they can reach out to

you, all that kind of information.

:

00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:59,860

Tali: Well, I think that it's, you know,

if you'd like to do a follow up podcast,

:

00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,690

uh, after people get a chance to read the

book or listen to the book and understand

:

00:52:04,690 --> 00:52:10,200

it, and I, I'm very interested in people

who disagree with the things that we hold

:

00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,820

as axiomatic, because I don't, I haven't,

there's a viewpoint out there I haven't

:

00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:16,510

considered that might shift my paradigm.

:

00:52:16,510 --> 00:52:21,530

I, I want to hear about that and I

invite people who disagree with the book.

:

00:52:22,015 --> 00:52:24,665

to read it and then push

back and send me messages.

:

00:52:25,095 --> 00:52:28,265

you can find the

audiobook at podcastindex.

:

00:52:28,305 --> 00:52:31,075

org right now by searching

thisisnotaschool.

:

00:52:31,555 --> 00:52:36,135

The, softcover book can be found,

the paperback can be found on amazon.

:

00:52:36,295 --> 00:52:39,055

com by searching

thisisnotaschool by John Dale.

:

00:52:39,785 --> 00:52:42,165

And then from there,

there's contact information.

:

00:52:42,165 --> 00:52:45,995

We're running this under our own

label called Plains Tribune Press.

:

00:52:46,445 --> 00:52:47,605

And plainstribune.

:

00:52:47,605 --> 00:52:49,555

com is a website that I do maintain.

:

00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:53,520

Um, and have been for a very,

very long time, well, I mean, in

:

00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,990

internet terms, for quite a while.

:

00:52:55,530 --> 00:52:59,260

And it's changed in its format, and I'm

not afraid to get into controversial

:

00:52:59,260 --> 00:53:02,670

material, again, because I think

that extends the boundaries of my

:

00:53:02,670 --> 00:53:06,360

own knowledge, and makes my own ideas

better, because the ones that are bad,

:

00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,150

I get an opportunity to hear about that.

:

00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,630

That's, to me, why free

speech is so important.

:

00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,400

And that would be the message, too.

:

00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,400

I think that's the message is, whether

it's my book, or a podcast, or, you

:

00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,990

know, Someone talking at a coffee

shop or a conversation in a bar

:

00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,290

or family around the dinner table.

:

00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,590

You don't have to accept somebody's

viewpoint, but we're all in this together.

:

00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:32,170

And humanity, I think, requires that you

don't have to tolerate a viewpoint, but

:

00:53:32,170 --> 00:53:36,410

you can separate a person's viewpoint

from their body and their physical

:

00:53:36,410 --> 00:53:40,180

body and try to encourage them to share

their viewpoint so that you have an

:

00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:41,920

opportunity to correct and vice versa.

:

00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:44,490

Because that's how we hone

in on the target about.

:

00:53:44,561 --> 00:53:45,880

Scott: What

:

00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,370

Tali: is our mission here on this planet?

:

00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:49,860

Where do we, you know, how do,

how's this all going to end,

:

00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:51,500

and how would we like it to end?

:

00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:56,290

And, um, are we going to do noble things,

or are we going to do debaucherous things?

:

00:53:56,670 --> 00:53:58,820

And I believe there's

an objective morality.

:

00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,880

And so, whether you're religious

or not, I think you can seek

:

00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,050

and find your way to that.

:

00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,800

And you'll see some things, so that

concept threaded throughout the book.

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I would be happy to end right there,

because I know people are very busy.

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And I'm always happy to do a follow up

podcast and answer questions by email.

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And, um, you know, my door is always

open in that regard and I type a hundred

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words a minute and I always get back so

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Scott: Well, thank you for sharing.

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I

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Tali: I'm sure there'll

be others that will

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Scott: that will find this this

helpful and we'll we'll take all

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Everything you listed we'll put

it in our show notes as well.

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So

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Tali: we'll

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have links for

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For

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Scott: all of that.

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So thank you again for sharing and

thank you for your time today and

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looking forward to staying in touch

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Tali: I appreciate the work

that you two are doing.

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Anything else I can do, just let me know.

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Thank you.

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Have a great day.

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Thank you.

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Bye.

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Bye bye.

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Tali Lindberg

Hey there, wonderful listeners! I'm Tali, and I'm so excited to welcome you to our podcast today. For two decades, I was knee-deep in the incredible journey of homeschooling my four amazing kids. It was a world of boundless creativity, filled with lesson plans, school projects, sports, and beautiful chaos. But when my children all graduated, a brand-new, unforeseen adventure awaited me - the captivating world of Bitcoin.

It took three years for Scott to bring me into Bitcoin. I hesitated at first, Bitcoin's intricacies seemed daunting, and my plate was already quite full. But he persisted, going so far as to create a fantastic bitcoin-mining board game called HODL UP to demystify it all. Before I knew it, I was down the Bitcoin rabbit hole. Just like my homeschooling journey, I took it one step at a time, learning and evolving as I ventured further.

Now, here we are today, and I couldn't be more thrilled to be part of the vibrant Bitcoin community. In an unexpected twist, my husband Scott and I realized that our homeschooling experiences can be a treasure trove of insights for Bitcoiners who, like us, want to take charge of their children's education. So, in addition to sharing our Bitcoin knowledge with Precoiners with HODL UP and the Orange Hatter podcast, we're here to offer tips and guidance for Bitcoin-homeschoolers. It's going to be an incredible journey, and I can't wait to share it with all of you. Enjoy the ride!
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Scott Lindberg

Scott Lindberg is a freedom-loving entrepreneur, author, and game designer. He is a proponent of finding freedom by taking self-custody of education, money and speech.

He and his wife, Tali, co-founded Free Market Kids. Their passion is to give the next generation the knowledge and tools to maximize their chances for freedom, success and happiness. Free Market Kids makes it easy and fun to introduce money concepts to kids through tabletop games, courses, lesson plans and trusted resources. They are best known for HODL UP™, a Bitcoin mining game.

Scott graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1993 with a Bachelor of Science in Systems Engineering. In 2001, he graduated Yale’s School of Management with a Master of Business Administration.